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Estate plannings firms?
Ramondo
Posted: 20 January 2025 10:29:40(UTC)
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Due to other factors I have left my estate planning decisions lapse quite badly.
I urgently need to tackle my will, power of attorney and my estate urgently.
I have several complicated factors to consider and make decisions on, some of which I feel I do not personally have the capability to make a informed decision on.

I have seen several 'Estate planning' firms advertising their services, I do know that they are not regulated.

I would welcome opinions/advice/views on them, or possibly even members who have used such a firm and can provide a view on their experience of using them.

Thanks for any/all replies.
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Posted: 20 January 2025 11:11:58(UTC)
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I found the IFA estate planning firms a bit useless as essentially they are trying to sell you complex products so they can get their fees. Much simpler solutions is best in our case and for these no need for an IFA or estate planning firm.

One IFA even suggested taking out a discounted loan trust and pay them a 1% fee to manage the investments - which turned out to be passive index funds something the IFA was going on about how it is best given low fees!

If your situation is complex and you have looked into simpler DIY solutions, it is best to look for STEP solicitor to guide you possible solutions.
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Ramondo
Posted: 20 January 2025 17:15:16(UTC)
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That's left me with deciding which of Solicitor, Certified public accountant, Chartered accountant, Tax advisor or of course a financial advisor to use!
I wish wills, estates, tax were a bit simpler.
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Posted: 20 January 2025 18:08:07(UTC)
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Ramondo;331700 wrote:
That's left me with deciding which of Solicitor, Certified public accountant, Chartered accountant, Tax advisor or of course a financial advisor to use!
I wish wills, estates, tax were a bit simpler.

I personally would leave Solicitors and accountants (high street ones) to the absolute last.
Then tend to avoid or miss the elements associated with financial aspects rather stick with the drafting of contracts and paperwork or ensuring the square pegs go into the square holes.

A good wealth planner / IFA is more preferable IMO, but then ratified with the accountants and solicitors.
If you already have investments such as Bonds, Life policies, pensions etc an IFA can put the right trusts around them and build in succession plans around them at often nil or very low costs. Many providers offer standard trust policies to put around their offerings - you just need advice on the right one. What could cost £2k for a trust to be put around an investment bond can be done with a cup of coffee with an IFA who prints the legally per-approved L&G/Aviva/SW, etc trust template be it discretionary, loan, gift, bypass etc. Furthermore the trust document does not have to be from the same provider - I have an Aviva document around and Aegon Policy and it is perfectly valid.

Talk about a pension to a solicitor and they will tell you to talk to an accountant and talk to an accountant about putting a life policy or pension in a bypass trust and they will tell you to find a solicitor. This can also be true should you merely want to put a simple beneficiary on your plan (ie Expression of wishes).

However if you have a good IFA and they can manage the whole lot. If you already have a good IFA/wealth manager they should be able to present all the options available and then you can go to a solicitor to ratify things.

The issue is that if you do not have an IFA or wealth manager then many may not want to take it on. In the same way a solicitor may want to put themselves as the trustees of a trust, or the executor of a will for future revenue, an IFA is likely to want to find ways for long term revenues (if however you are their client they are already receiving the revenue and can often do the IHT paperwork elements for low costs whereas the solicitor wants low cost now but tie in the higher cost later on)

I have a neighbour whose father passed away and their solicitor wanted to charge £300+VAT per hour (which is reasonable) to close the estate down and explained that it could take between 40-50 hours based on the information they had and their fees are an average of 3% of the estate (bearing in mind the house is worth £1m alone). They frightened the son and mother with mumbo jumbo about trust law, filling in lengthy IHT forms, requesting land registry deeds etc. They explained that being long term clients they would cap the fee at £30k+VAT if it went over.

Long story short agreed to help and negotiated a flat fee of £1k +VAT with same solicitor and used the spreadsheet their old IFA had sent them in the past (son fired the IFA when he got involved in fathers affairs to help him out and save on costs) to get valuations, trust documents and divert pension to mother (IFA had put all these in place and advised the solicitors not be put on executors, rather the sons and mother. However IFA did not want to take them back on as clients but given mother was a client was happy to generously provide information to her).

Apparently solicitors were going to encash all the father's holdings including ISA's and pool the monies together into their accounts and then distribute proceeds for ease and savings in time and costs.

It may be wise to start building up a relationship with a good IFA first for small things and build up, as you go along. If you approach them with IHT planning at the outset, then expect high fees at the outset. Nevertheless you can get a feel for options that include your specific plans (some solicitors use an IFA in the background re financial plans and then pass on the fees in their own charging),
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AnthonyL
Posted: 20 January 2025 18:43:58(UTC)
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I recently bookmarked the following for my future consideration:

https://moneyforums.city...was-gutted----then.aspx

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I would choose a Chartered Financial Planner (CFP) to assist with inheritance tax planning, paid on an hourly consultancy fee basis, so no chance of them having a percentage of your investments.


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Ramondo on 21/01/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 20 January 2025 19:54:17(UTC)
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Hi Ramando,

You sound a bit stressed out, which I am sorry to hear.

Your original post conveys urgency, but doesn't include much detail/context.

I have recently applied for Lasting Powers of Attorney (LPA's), for me and the wife. You can do this online, quite easy to do, costs £82 per LPA (two each for Healthcare and Financial). Shocking rip off !

Wills - unless very straightforward (which you can do online for £20), then best to use local firm of solicitors. Again I am sorting out currently, cost about £400 plus VAT, i think worth the cost to get it right.

Estate planning - whether you need to pay for help depends on your own knowledge/expertise, size/value and complication of your estate. A decent local firm of solicitors drawing up wills, should be able to advise you on estate planning if required.

Good luck

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Ramondo
Posted: 23 January 2025 07:20:45(UTC)
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Thank you for your reply, detailing what you have carried out.

Yes, a bit stressed by the process as not now fully well and realising that I have left things too late in many respects due to time constraints in the past and then enjoying excellent health which allowed me to use my time in many ways.

As you, I intend to firstly make a power of attorney and then make some alterations to my will via my solicitor.

The biggest problem is inheritance tax, I've left it too late and that combined with no increase in IHT allowances have made it very difficult, also my two sons have very little interest in finance.

I've pigeon holed many articles on IHT etc and will bring my knowledge of all it entails up to date.
I believe that there will not be a great deal that I can do to avoid paying some IHT except to live as long as possible and spend, spend, spend as much as possible and legally allowed in every way that I can.



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Posted: 23 January 2025 09:41:08(UTC)
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Ramondo;331992 wrote:
Thank you for your reply, detailing what you have carried out.

Yes, a bit stressed by the process as not now fully well and realising that I have left things too late in many respects due to time constraints in the past and then enjoying excellent health which allowed me to use my time in many ways.

As you, I intend to firstly make a power of attorney and then make some alterations to my will via my solicitor.

The biggest problem is inheritance tax, I've left it too late and that combined with no increase in IHT allowances have made it very difficult, also my two sons have very little interest in finance.

I've pigeon holed many articles on IHT etc and will bring my knowledge of all it entails up to date.
I believe that there will not be a great deal that I can do to avoid paying some IHT except to live as long as possible and spend, spend, spend as much as possible and legally allowed in every way that I can.



You are allowed to make £3000 gifts to whomever in any tax year. Bank details will be forwarded whenever you are ready :)

With only a slightly complicated set of circumstances our solicitor was able to give sound advice for our Wills. However, and this was 10years ago and after a wasted session with an ill-informed solicitor, we found advice to ensure whoever we used was a member of STEP as well:

https://www.step.org/about-step/public

I'm a little bit in a similar situation in that I've left spending my grandkids inheritance late. Having no company pension I've relied on investing in ISAs and SIPPs and have had my head in the sand a bit over the past few years being scared to pull out money. I've now ended up with more than I need and getting a bit too old to do the things that I might have done 10 years ago.

Anyone want some £3000 gifts? :)

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KMH
Posted: 23 January 2025 10:04:51(UTC)
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I have only just seen this discussion, but surprised you are not commenting on distributions from surplus Income, as opposed to capital gains.
The article in this link has a section towards the end.
Seems very little anywhere to define how to confidently comply.

https://www.thisismoney....-money-isnt-capital.html
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Ramondo on 23/01/2025(UTC)
AnthonyL
Posted: 23 January 2025 10:25:48(UTC)
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KMH;332006 wrote:
I have only just seen this discussion, but surprised you are not commenting on distributions from surplus Income, as opposed to capital gains.
The article in this link has a section towards the end.
Seems very little anywhere to define how to confidently comply.

https://www.thisismoney....-money-isnt-capital.html


Interesting. Apart adding enough SIPP to my basic State Pension to my tax free allowance any shortfalls are pulled from my ISAs as and when required. ISAs are certainly capital but not capital gains surely. One to ask next time I get my Will revised.
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