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Too much of the Magnificent Seven in our ISAs?
NPH
Posted: 15 February 2025 18:33:14(UTC)
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Newbie;334378 wrote:
smg8;334374 wrote:
Tom 123;334355 wrote:
What I would like to understand (from those bullish on the Mag7), is where does it go from here?




I’m not making a bullish case for the M7 - honestly, I have no idea whether they’re fairly valued, overvalued, or undervalued.

What I do know is that if one of them drops out of the M7, something else will take its place - just as we’ve seen with past iterations of these market-dominating groups, just as something came and replaced Netflix.

The biggest stocks in the index today look very different from those 50 years ago, yet we haven’t had 50 years of negative returns to get here.

Some of these companies may grow earnings and justify their valuations. Others may not and will decline in value (like Meta/Facebook when it shrunk to being on a PE ratio of 13).

Maybe in the future, Visa, JPMorgan, Bank of America, and Mastercard dominate, and we’ll be debating whether global indices led by the M4 have too much financials exposure.

I broadly agree that multiple expansion has been a major driver of equity performance with specific stocks, and I’ve made that argument myself. If earnings growth continues to outpace expectations, great. If not, valuations may compress, and share prices will suffer.

That said, I’d still expect global equities trading at 18x earnings to outperform, say, Russian or Greek equities at single-digit multiples over my investment timeframe. Valuations matter, but so does long-term structural growth.

Those are some of the reasons why I have and building on my position of L&G Global 100.
The managers will (hopefully) re-align the portfolio in due course.
Tesla was a speck then became big and admitted to S&P and will go away again.
Recently Palantir got accepted but will no doubt go away again.
So the choice is between Global index and Global 100.
Why not both ?
The difference is that only some of the smaller guys makes it big whereas the larger ones stay around the top a bit longer - momentum, craze, index allocation and all that.
It is also a bit different to the UK where the top generally stay there - probably due to lack of dynamism, innovation or simple, lack of companies.


Also worth noting that L&G100 has also been highly defensive, with some of the lowest drawdowns over 25 years, as well as fantastic gains
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J Thomas on 15/02/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 15 February 2025 20:37:02(UTC)
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Tom 123;334586 wrote:
Various comparisons out there.

I would say this is the fourth great bubble:

https://www.visualcapita...ock-market-overheating/

On a CAPE basis similar to the past three great bubbles all of which preceded large crashes.

Its all on earnings growth from here. That needs to hold up to prevent change in P/E moving downwards. Potentially we could achieve a permanently high plateau in stock prices as earnings growth brings P/Es down. Would be the first time ever, but you never know.

I look at that (PE) and then look at the downward pull in the year(s) after.
Then I look at the subsequent returns
Then I consider the sensible allocation to things like cash/gilts/cash like emergency reserves (5 years)
Plus a dose in things like gold, inflation proof things or in income producing (reinvested) assets.
Following this I struggle to see what all the commotion is about.

The real danger IMO is not being in the market or assets which have the best chance to outperform.

One thing I often see is people diving in volatile things and high risk high growth assets without any proper due diligence or without any of their own analysis often chasing performance

Take the recent Covid fall - those who stayed in (better if they added) jumped back within 5 years.
The GFC, again those who kept preaching the end of the world are generally the same people preaching it and using those events as the crux of their position.
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