Newbie;334897 wrote:Russia and US hold peace talks but freeze out Ukraine
Top Russian and US officials met in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday in a bid to improve their ties and negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine.
https://www.itv.com/news...-but-freeze-out-ukraine
When two powerhouses negotiate the little guys get squashed and left penniless.
The only thing that is different now compared to six months or a year ago is that the US is behaving in a more honest and transparent fashion. The idea that any of this was ever to do with "self determination" and the Ukrainians is preposterous.
Ukraine was always a proxy between these two powers, with the US, as usual, pretending it doesn't have an empire and Russia beating its chest more vigorously than was anticipated in what it deems to be its own neighbourhood. Europe has been irrelevant throughout, as we should expect since it is politically, economically and militarily castrated. It cannot even control its borders, is in continuous economic decline and has leaders who cry.
Three years on and we have a lot of rubble and dead people. The previous US administration was too heavily invested, quite literally on a personal level for one family, to draw a line under it so it falls to the newcomers. Some of the pygmies that have thrown rocks in from the sidelines, like the UK, are engaging in some face-saving posturing, still wedded to the old narrative, which was fake all along. But that's smoke and mirrors, which no serious person is interested in.
In the final analysis, and for those who understand geopolitics and are realistic, Ukraine was always going to split at some point and that's what has happened, since neither of the two superpowers were willing to allow the other to maintain a puppet regime over the whole thing.
If you are in the habit of believing that Ukraine was a homogenous and politically viable country, then that is your first mistake and why you don't understand what has happened or is going on. It's a pity such things can't be resolved more peacefully in the first place, but that's how it is. They are at least round the table now, the people who matter, and the US side are not feeling the need to play along with fake stories which waste everybody's time. This is more honest and better. Gets to the point.
I doubt the Ukrainians are penniless. Zelensky is now a rich man and sorted for life, having played his part, and a lot of the corrupt cronies from that country have done well out of it too. The ordinary Ukrainians who want to be actual Ukrainians can return home to their smaller country, which will have aid pumped into it and have the opportunity to become more economically developed with the help of the US. The real shame is for all those who have died or been maimed already, but that's because the people who could make a difference took far too long to negotiate.