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Johan De Silva
Posted: 23 February 2025 12:58:14(UTC)
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If anyone is interested in FAS and the managers rotation from India to China, Citywire has a great video interview with the manager who's style matches many of the posters here: https://video.fidelity.t...OeuOg7XnvSmqt?start=995

(note the Chinese home balance sheet comment!)
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Raj K on 23/02/2025(UTC)
malc1111
Posted: 23 February 2025 13:06:19(UTC)
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ben ski;335442 wrote:
I think what Trump's doing – finding potentially $2T in wasted or laundered money – is what every country needs right now.

The political system is geared towards keeping a very small elite in power, with unlimited resources, while the 99% exist in comfortable, indebted slavery. And itemising, questioning and tracking government spending is how you begin to fix that.

The left's frantically attacking Trump/Elon's character, and implying they're doing this to divert money from genuine charities, and pocket it themselves. And if there's evidence for that, that should be attacked. But at the moment there's only evidence of waste and money laundering, and it being fixed. And it's odd to view that as a bad thing. Imagine how much more efficient the world could be if they did that here, or in China.



Love to see any evidence that spacehopper and the crazy gang are fixing or saving anything. For sure the main benefactors if any will be themselves. It is a bit like setting fire to your house thinking the insurance money will make you rich.
Rory Barr
Posted: 23 February 2025 14:06:05(UTC)
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malc1111;335511 wrote:
Love to see any evidence that spacehopper and the crazy gang are fixing or saving anything. For sure the main benefactors if any will be themselves. It is a bit like setting fire to your house thinking the insurance money will make you rich.


Are you sure you mean benefactors?

Your sentiment implies beneficiaries (those who benefit); benefactors are the opposite (those who give).
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malc1111 on 23/02/2025(UTC), Sheerman on 23/02/2025(UTC)
malc1111
Posted: 23 February 2025 15:51:09(UTC)
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Rory Barr;335516 wrote:
malc1111;335511 wrote:
Love to see any evidence that spacehopper and the crazy gang are fixing or saving anything. For sure the main benefactors if any will be themselves. It is a bit like setting fire to your house thinking the insurance money will make you rich.


Are you sure you mean benefactors?

Your sentiment implies beneficiaries (those who benefit); benefactors are the opposite (those who give).



Mea culpa, teach me to proof read before pressing post, though they will be giving it to each other so perhaps a bit correct given they will be receiving the benefits.
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Rory Barr on 23/02/2025(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 23 February 2025 15:51:25(UTC)
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Musk could save the US taxpayer $18 billion by cancelling the pointless moon landing program.

But strangley, he hasn't done so....

I wonder why?


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SF100 on 23/02/2025(UTC), Johan De Silva on 23/02/2025(UTC)
Thrugelmir
Posted: 23 February 2025 16:49:28(UTC)
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Rookie Investor;335395 wrote:


For example companies are not as capital intensive as they once were, more of their "CAPEX" is in the form of R&D, and thus inflates PE ratios in return for a meaningful future earnings growth.


AI is both capital and energy intensive though. Expenditure on computer hardware and related infrastructure is growing ever larger. Running into hundreds of billions of $'s in 2025. Massaging EPS by extending the economic lifespan can only defer so much of the cost into the future. Shines the spotlight firmly onto the revenues that are generated.
ben ski
Posted: 23 February 2025 18:43:09(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;335525 wrote:


Musk could save the US taxpayer $18 billion by cancelling the pointless moon landing program.

But strangley, he hasn't done so....

I wonder why?


Because at some point, our economy and future as a species will come down to how well we can function in space. And operations like putting people on the moon accelerate development there, while otherwise there's a risk we just spend the next 50 years developing AI.


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Robin B on 23/02/2025(UTC)
ben ski
Posted: 23 February 2025 18:49:01(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;335529 wrote:
Rookie Investor;335395 wrote:


For example companies are not as capital intensive as they once were, more of their "CAPEX" is in the form of R&D, and thus inflates PE ratios in return for a meaningful future earnings growth.


AI is both capital and energy intensive though. Expenditure on computer hardware and related infrastructure is growing ever larger. Running into hundreds of billions of $'s in 2025. Massaging EPS by extending the economic lifespan can only defer so much of the cost into the future. Shines the spotlight firmly onto the revenues that are generated.


I do worry that we're basing our investment in this space on today's power and computation needs. I'm not sure many traders really grasp what DeepSeek achieved, with exponentially less compute infrastructure.

AI's ability to optimise itself might catch people by surprise too. After all, the human brain has 100 trillion connections, whereas DeepSeek you're talking 1.5-70 billion. Yet the human brain only needs 20 watts. Computer AI will close in on that level of efficiency, and probably surpass it. Maybe very quickly.
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Thrugelmir on 23/02/2025(UTC)
Wheresthejam .
Posted: 23 February 2025 20:02:15(UTC)
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ben ski;335551 wrote:
Computer AI will close in on that level of efficiency, and probably surpass it. Maybe very quickly.


Indeed. Just as an ape can claim it is making progress toward the moon by climbing a tree.
Johan De Silva
Posted: 23 February 2025 21:01:56(UTC)
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Energy use will eventually come down, but AI systems will always need storage and memory. Companies like Micron, with a P/E ratio of 12, are more certain winners than those with much higher ratios who are likely to be disrupted or commoditised by software companies. I suspect HG Capital and other SaaS companies will become winners in the foreseeable future, as humans (and paying them) will still be needed alongside leveraging AI.

Timescale is important. For now, NVIDIA's results this week will be crucial for them. I suspect it will perform well for a while and remains a top 2 or 3 holding in my SIPP before disruption, but companies within HG Capital are still in the top 10.

Currently, software I use for my job, found in companies like HVPE and Atlassian, use AI and is useful. However, actually using AI to analyse qualitative data is a game-changer, as in the past, only quantitative data was queryable. If the qualitative data is structured properly, its power is remarkable.

To explain as an example on a basic level, what schools are doing is using AI to generate individual exam papers for students based on the examination board syllabus (and other trainings), then uploading the weaknesses of each student. This is a simplified but powerful example of AI in use.

Once we see use cases like this, it becomes easier to find new applications and uses by connecting the dots. For a creative like me, AI has been snowballing... and it seems that AI will eventually have to be commoditsed (cheap as edible chips), resulting in the current crop of high P/E companies in my portfolio (via ATT) being in a bubble. I am sure they know it but have little choice but to spend.

Edit: Apologies as this is going somewhat well off topic. Perhaps the Chinese know all this and events like DeepSeek was only a shock to the west playing catch up!
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ben ski on 23/02/2025(UTC)
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