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How much should property should I have in my portfolio?
Law Man
Posted: 20 February 2019 17:32:32(UTC)
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Real property covers a lot. Miscellaneous thoughts:

Your dwelling house is property, although I do not treat it as an investment; I need somewhere to live

BTL is greater risk and hard work

Liquidity has value e.g. REITs rather than Funds

Look at ‘alternative’ property such as GP surgeries, warehouses or student rooms.

Dennis .
Posted: 21 February 2019 09:19:31(UTC)
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I have a house worth about £600k which I live in and so I do not regard it as part of my portfolio of around £600k in equities. My problem with property as an investment is statements like "everyone knows that you can't go wrong with bricks and mortar" or "buy land as they have stopped making it" which tend to be the mantra of the man in the street who barely knows about anything financial apart from a building society account. I can cite a couple of cases within my family where houses have been bought which sold for the virtually the same price after 10 years. In addition who would invest in shopping centres now?
A couple of years ago my son (who built up a big cash position working as an ex Pat) looked at BTL and ran the numbers on a number of houses in different areas where in the same street you could either rent or buy very similar houses (ie you could compare buying and renting costs). In no case could he make the numbers work even as a cash buyer (he also looked at the opportunity cost of tieing his money up in houses)

So for me the answer is you should have zero property beyond what you live in.
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Balvenie on 21/02/2019(UTC)
Antony A
Posted: 22 February 2019 07:57:31(UTC)
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Dennis, there are many ways for small investors to make money from residential property besides BTL: renovate, extend, subdivide, demolish and develop new housing at greater densities, buy land and build new - all offer a decent profit, especially if you use mortgages and loans to gear and multiply your limited capital.

I grant you though that buy-and-hold BTL is far, far less attractive now for new entrants. Continuing high interest rates c. 5-6%, especially on higher mortgage multiples, plus maintenance costs, agent's fees, and a rogue tenant can easily wipe out all profits from income. The endless legislative changes can wear anyone down. The tax net keeps tightening, and the new restrictions on deducting mortgage interest mean higher-rate taxpayers can end up paying income tax on negative real-world profits. The only real gain, outside development work, is from house price inflation, but with house prices so high in most areas, future real gains look to be limited, especially with residential property paying CGT at 28% when you sell (the only asset category taxed at such a very high level).

If I were setting up in BTL now, I would invest via a company or partnership rather than as a private individual: no limits on mortgage interest deductions, only corporation tax to pay (and the tax on dividends), scope to reclaim VAT on new-builds, plus I'd make sure the company had a development wing so it's taxed as a trading entity rather than an investment one There are considerable advantages with succession planning too. The main problem, as ever with a business, is getting your money out again, which is why shorter-term partnerships and Special Purpose Vehicles are the way forward for small silent partners who don't want to get involved day-to-day but seek better returns than REITs can offer..
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Tim D on 22/02/2019(UTC)
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