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Robin B
Posted: 09 March 2025 10:58:50(UTC)

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The net effect of the US government's tariffs, or threat of them, in a year's time, might be less tariffs overall. Maybe, in response to the US, Europe will decide to stop having a bureaucratic customs union and both sides will end up trading more freely than before? Multiply across the world.

Maybe this is the whole idea?

And those who did nothing with their portfolios will reap the rewards.
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SF100
Posted: 09 March 2025 11:01:40(UTC)

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Fin Man V;336965 wrote:
Our long term plan is "our average age in equities" not "our average age in bonds".

Our average age is 52, and our equities at the end of Feb 25 were 47% of the consolidated portfolio. We are unlikely get there this year as the US looks overvalued, unless there is a more significant correction this year .....


... So in 33 years time, when your avg age is 85, you'll be 85% equities.
And let's posit that rates will have gradually, or abruptly risen back to 70s/80s/90s norms of say shy of 10%. Almost certain you'll change that plan.

On that note, does anyone risk-assess their decisions or financial plans?
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Peanuts
Posted: 09 March 2025 11:18:38(UTC)

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Rookie Investor;336971 wrote:
People think they are investors but really they are retail punters.



Seriously Rookie, who the fk do you think you are? Can you not see how cringe comments like that are becoming. Have some respect.

Anyway, your other comment on "not even a correction". Whilst technically true, if you look at an index like VUSA, you will see it has had a -10.9% drawdown from its January high of £94 to Fridays close of £83.60. Obviously helped by the FX movements. For the respectable forum members on here - that could be the kind of 'dip' that might be get me nibbling on tomorrow with a bit of new SIPP money. I am guessing with Fridays S&P positive close and futures etc it will still be approx -8%.
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MarkSp
Posted: 09 March 2025 11:52:05(UTC)

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Big generalisations but the main differences between investors and PIs is that

1. In general PIs are dependent on the outcome of their actions - professional investors are dependent on getting others to give them money to take to the casino.

2. In general PIs have little concept of risk they only see opportunity. I have been amazed by the top 10 buys on II and AJB in some months.

3. PIs have very, very, very short memories
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Rob B
Posted: 09 March 2025 12:02:53(UTC)

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MarkSp;336980 wrote:

Big generalisations but the main differences between investors and PIs is that

1. In general PIs are dependent on the outcome of their actions - professional investors are dependent on getting others to give them money to take to the casino.

2. In general PIs have little concept of risk they only see opportunity. I have been amazed by the top 10 buys on II and AJB in some months.

3. PIs have very, very, very short memories

Very interesting, MarkSp. Here’s a bit of fun for the heavy ‘Sea of Red’. Name this fund:

Former forum darling then much derided.
Hardly ever mentioned now.
Been around for decades.
January Factsheet placed it 3/223 over six months.

This is for fun. 6 months is zero time. But that’s my point. Been around for decades. So measure it on decades or 6 months? For fun remember.
MarkSp
Posted: 09 March 2025 12:16:31(UTC)

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Johan De Silva;336973 wrote:
I think we can get over our disagreements if we all be aligned on past macro events, as illustrated by this chart:



The core principle of the U.S. administration is to strike a balanced middle ground between corporate taxes and tariffs. In the long run, this approach could help reduce the deficit, lay the foundation for a future surplus, and ultimately strengthen the dollar.

That said, while achieving this balance could support economic stability and bolster U.S. markets, the actual impact remains uncertain. Factors such as global trade dynamics, corporate responses, and consumer behaviour all play a role. As a result, we don’t yet know if this strategy will unfold as intended, or more importantly how long it might take.

I felt the bull case for US markets and their outlook often get buried under a mix of political bias and, more importantly, the predominance of older posters in this forum who, understandably, take a short-term view.

Saying that, as a UK investor myself looking to trade and gain alpha, I am very underweight the U.S. choosing alpha opportunities in the UK and Europe, but looking for the right time to get back into U.S. stocks. Smaller U.S. companies should benefit from reduced legislation and tax. KKR was my only U.S. only buy recently.



I can give you a completely different narrative about the effect of tariffs. Trade is a dynamic system, past attempts at serious tariffs have all led to falling global trade which doesn't matter if you can consume stuff internally. While people might buy 20 TShirts for $20 from Shein they wont buy 20 T-Shirts for $200 from Fruit of the Loom. Global production will fall, global unemployment will rise

the world will not go back to Mechantilism. The US has much more power when it is "soft", "Hard" power doesn't work unless you back it with hard actions.

What I can see is alternative sources of supply for goods previously from the US. US companies will not be able to buy out their competition and non-US versions will be created. In the meantime the US has crapped in its own nest - they will not get back the respect they had as a reliable if bumbling friend. People except for Vance have long memories...............you are my friend and you fuck me over, I don't forget.

When people will say absolutely anything, things they obviously don't believe in order to stay in power - I have watched Rubio and Hegseth - both are talking madly in favour of ideas they have fought against for decades. they have no credibility whatsoever. like Corbyn going to TV tomorrow espousing EDL policies.

tango man and his speech about spending money on Transgender mice FFS Transgenic mice ie Mice who have had a gene adapted, swapped out/removed to support investigations into human diseases.
there are sooo many stupid people out there.

I also heard that US is trawling the world trying to get eggs. I say sell them to them with a 25% export surcharge

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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 09 March 2025 12:16:33(UTC)

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Rob B;336981 wrote:
MarkSp;336980 wrote:

Big generalisations but the main differences between investors and PIs is that

1. In general PIs are dependent on the outcome of their actions - professional investors are dependent on getting others to give them money to take to the casino.

2. In general PIs have little concept of risk they only see opportunity. I have been amazed by the top 10 buys on II and AJB in some months.

3. PIs have very, very, very short memories

Very interesting, MarkSp. Here’s a bit of fun for the heavy ‘Sea of Red’. Name this fund:

Former forum darling then much derided.
Hardly ever mentioned now.
Been around for decades.
January Factsheet placed it 3/223 over six months.

This is for fun. 6 months is zero time. But that’s my point. Been around for decades. So measure it on decades or 6 months? For fun remember.


Guessing..

Lindsell Train...?
Rob B
Posted: 09 March 2025 12:27:05(UTC)

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ANDREW FOSTER;336984 wrote:
Rob B;336981 wrote:
MarkSp;336980 wrote:

Big generalisations but the main differences between investors and PIs is that

1. In general PIs are dependent on the outcome of their actions - professional investors are dependent on getting others to give them money to take to the casino.

2. In general PIs have little concept of risk they only see opportunity. I have been amazed by the top 10 buys on II and AJB in some months.

3. PIs have very, very, very short memories

Very interesting, MarkSp. Here’s a bit of fun for the heavy ‘Sea of Red’. Name this fund:

Former forum darling then much derided.
Hardly ever mentioned now.
Been around for decades.
January Factsheet placed it 3/223 over six months.

This is for fun. 6 months is zero time. But that’s my point. Been around for decades. So measure it on decades or 6 months? For fun remember.


Guessing..

Lindsell Train...?

Good guess but no. Same manager involved for a quarter of a century (and lead for past 13 years). Fund has been around since mid to late ‘80s. BG Managed!
Johan De Silva
Posted: 09 March 2025 13:15:09(UTC)

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↪ Rob guessing isn't fun and LTI is as good an example as SMT.
SF100
Posted: 09 March 2025 13:19:45(UTC)

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and Ruffer Total Return is another example
If you can sea through the Sea of Red Mist.
Launched sept 2000, 7.2% annualised total return
Same as, err..... FTSE All World index over same period

Feels like a good time to enter, with all the negative press

https://archive.is/1MTYy
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Jed Mires on 09/03/2025(UTC)
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