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Phil 2
Posted: 12 March 2024 11:16:24(UTC)

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A different perspective and different bank. I’m planning to reduce my NWG holding tomorrow as it’s going ex-div on Thurs. i currently hold a hugely overweight £25k and will reduce to £10k at which point it’s included in my rebalancing pool instead of it just sitting there mocking! It’s actually done ok, especially recently, just a few % down so have basically got a few years’ yield to show for my overconfidence and patriotism!

I will be doing exactly the same on 24th April to halve my LGEN holding to £15k.

A bit silly investing so much in single shares really, steady as these two are / should be.
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Thrugelmir on 12/03/2024(UTC), Ian Eccles on 12/03/2024(UTC)
Ian Eccles
Posted: 20 March 2024 15:12:27(UTC)

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Hallelujah, Lloyds has reached 50p at last, 1509hrs Wed 20th March, a red letter day 50.09p.
Crack open a bottle of Vimto.
Phil 2
Posted: 23 April 2024 16:36:59(UTC)

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Lloyds, Barclays, NatWest: analysts positive ahead of UK clearing banks results this week
Published: 16:17 22 Apr 2024 BST
Written by: Oliver Haill


The UK's three largest clearing banks – Lloyds, Barclays and NatWest – report first-quarter results this week, with analysts bullish about the sector as they see low valuations and the prospect of more bumper capital returns in the next few years.

Peel Hunt was the latest to join the positive chorus, with analysts arguing that "valuations are low, profitability is already established at levels that should justify higher valuations, and that many of the factors that are currently depressing valuations (the weak UK economy, poor performance of the UK equity market...) are likely to abate in the medium term".

A total of nearly £30 billion of capital returns for the trio is forecast over the coming three years, equal to c.30% of their current combined market caps.

Let's look at what to expect this week.

Wednesday: Lloyds

Lloyds Banking Group PLC (LSE:LLOY) is the least favoured by Peel Hunt (a 'hold' recommendation and target price of 55p versus the last close at around 51p) as analysts see less near-term share price upside due to its starting point premium valuation.

Motor finance provisions are one of the big question marks hanging over these quarterlies, with Lloyds having so far announced a £450 million provision for the potential impact of the Financial Conduct Authority's review of historical motor finance commissions.

Full FCA's findings are due by 24 September 2024 and UBS, which recently tipped the black horse bank with a 'buy' rating and 58p target, said it does not expect any more motor finance provisions with this set of numbers.

The City analyst consensus forecast for underlying profit is £1.73 billion, down from £2.22 billion a year earlier but close to the £1.75 billion seen in the fourth quarter of last year. Statutory PBT of £1.66 billion is expected, down from £2.26 billion YoY and £1.78 QoQ.

Net interest margin (NIM) is expected to have narrowed further to 2.93% from 2.98% in Q4 and 3.22% in Q1 of last year, in line with guidance for at least 2.90% for the year, with sequential growth later in the year.

A CET1 capital ratio of 13.9% is predicted, down from 13.7% three months earlier and 14.1% a year earlier.

"We think if UK domestic banks can produce noticeable income growth in 2025 they will stand out vs Eurozone peers in faster pass through markets in particular," UBS said.

Thursday: Barclays

Next comes Barclays PLC (LSE:BARC), which is tipped as a 'buy' by Peel Hunt and UBS with targets at 245p and 240p.

The Peel team like Barclays as "banks' P/TNAVs are correlated with ROTE," in other words, banks with higher profitability generally have better stock valuations, with Barclays' return on capital "should increase in coming years as more capital is allocated to higher-returning activities".

Consensus ROTE is 11.7%, up from 8.8% last year. pre-impairment profit is £2.73 billion with a £539 million impairment, and a statutory PBT of £2.2 billion. CET1 is seen rising to 13.6$ from 13.3%.

Barclays has guided to £3 billion in dividends and buybacks this year, the same as last year and around 11% of its market cap.

But UBS thinks this quarter could see a "smaller 2Q-announced buyback" and more of its capital returns loaded in the back end of the year due to higher seasonal deployment of capital in the investment bank and the recent US card acquisition.

Barclays' investment bank will be in focus too, as US rivals such as Citi and JPMorgan reported sales and trading down 8% and 5% on last year and advisory up 32% and 27%.

Friday: NatWest

NatWest Group PLC (LSE:NWG) occupies its familiar Friday spot and other bank analysts also having a positive Friday feeling about the lender.

Those at Barclays recently forecast that NatWest will beat first-quarter earnings guidance and post an upward revision to its full-year guidance due to markets repricing rate expectations higher in recent weeks due to stickier inflationary indicators (although markets are still unsure about a possible summer rate cut).

Peel Hunt is also bullish, doling out another 'buy' and target price of 330p, as analysts see scope for the group to recover lost market share in core banking products like mortgages and credit cards back to pre-2008 levels, now that internal restructuring is complete.

The end of the UK government holding should also be positive for the shares over the next two years.

Consensus is for profit from continuing operations of £1.26 billion, versus £0.91 billion in Q4, mainly helped by lower tax charges plus a little less impairments. NIM is expected to be little changed from the 1.99% at the end of last year, likewise CET1 of 13.4%.

Capital returns will also be in focus, with lower impairments possible one of the keys to this, said UBS.
Phil 2
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NatWest has been one of my better investments recently. How peculiar. One way or another they seem set to continue to return a lot of cash to shareholders in the coming years.
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Thrugelmir on 23/04/2024(UTC)
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Phil 2;303471 wrote:
NatWest has been one of my better investments recently. How peculiar. One way or another they seem set to continue to return a lot of cash to shareholders in the coming years.


UK banks are now finally fundamentally fixed. Balance sheets are extremely strong. Underpinned by tough regulation. Pre the boom days leading up the GFC. Banks were regarded as staid and boring investments. A return to them being value stocks again, when the price is right.
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Phil 2 on 24/04/2024(UTC)
Phil 2
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Thrugelmir;303473 wrote:
Phil 2;303471 wrote:
NatWest has been one of my better investments recently. How peculiar. One way or another they seem set to continue to return a lot of cash to shareholders in the coming years.


UK banks are now finally fundamentally fixed. Balance sheets are extremely strong. Underpinned by tough regulation. Pre the boom days leading up the GFC. Banks were regarded as staid and boring investments. A return to them being value stocks again, when the price is right.


The fund manager near the end of this week’s MoneyMakers podcast made a similar point, re NatWest in particular. Using some basic calcs including dividends, BBs etc to work out the heaps of shareholder returns in recent years. Worth a listen if interested in these loser-stocks.
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Thrugelmir on 24/04/2024(UTC)
Phil 2
Posted: 24 April 2024 12:21:02(UTC)

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Lloyds SP reaching the dizzying heights of 53p. I’m expecting street parties.


Lloyds Banking Group's profits plunged by 28% in early 2024 as competition grew for mortgages and deposits.

The bank posted pre-tax profits of £1.6bn between January and March, down from £2.3bn last year.
Lloyds said its margins had been hit "mainly within UK mortgages" amid heightened competition between lenders to offer squeezed buyers better deals.

The UK's biggest lender also made less from loans to businesses, but more from credit cards and car finance.

The group, which owns Halifax and Bank of Scotland, said in the three months to the end of March that its net interest income, which is the difference between the money it generates from loans and pays out for deposits, fell 10% to £3.2bn ($4bn).

The fall was expected as more people moved their cash into savings accounts with higher returns and mortgage rates eased because of the competition stepping up among lenders.

"The company has seen competition in the mortgage market bring down its returns and savers move deposits into higher interest accounts - meaning it is paying out more to customers, " said Russ Mould, investment director at AJ Bell.

Like other UK banks, Lloyds' profits were boosted by the increase in interest rates over the past couple of years, which have allowed lenders to charge more on loans.

For the whole of 2023, Lloyds' I pre-tax profits jumped to £7.5bn, which was higher than expected and up 57% on 2022.

Borrowing costs have risen as the Bank of England has increased its base interest rate in a bid to bring down inflation - which measures price rises over time.

But Mr Mould suggested that "Lloyds' brief moment in the sun, when rates moved sharply higher and it was able to generate higher margins, seems to have come to an end".
Phil 2
Posted: 26 April 2024 06:46:52(UTC)

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NWG seem to have had a decent Q1. Against my own weary expectations, the SP has been nudging up towards £3 again. I can’t remember what the consensus expectations were for this qtr but I think income and profit appear to be at the top end of these? Could be wrong!


Strong Q1 2024 performance

- Q1 2024 attributable profit of £918 million and a return on tangible equity (RoTE) of 14.2%.

- Total income excluding notable items was £3,414 million. The reduction of £28 million, or 0.8%, compared with Q4 2023, was due to the impact of one day fewer, with mortgage margin pressure largely offset by higher markets income in Commercial & Institutional, and £406 million lower than Q1 2023 principally reflecting lower deposit balances and mix changes, and lending margin pressure.

- Net interest margin (NIM) of 2.05% was 6 basis points higher than Q4 2023 principally reflecting notable items and changes within central items, while NIM across the three businesses was stable.

- Other operating expenses were broadly stable compared with Q4 2023 (£13 million lower), and £96 million, or 5.0%, higher than Q1 2023 principally reflecting the Bank of England Levy and increased staff costs due to inflation and severance costs, partially offset by ongoing simplification of our business and lower costs in relation to our withdrawal from the Republic of Ireland.

- A net impairment charge of £93 million, or 10 basis points of gross customer loans, principally reflected the continued strong performance of our lending book. Levels of default remain stable and at low levels across the portfolio.

Robust balance sheet with strong capital and liquidity levels

- Net loans to customers excluding central items increased by £1.4 billion, or 0.4% in the quarter, to £357.0 billion primarily reflecting growth in Corporate & Institutions partially offset by increased mortgage redemptions in the quarter within Retail Banking.

- Up to 31 March 2024 we have provided £68.5 billion of our target to provide £100 billion climate and sustainable funding and financing between 1 July 2021 and the end of 2025.

- Customer deposits excluding central items increased by £0.9 billion, or 0.2%, in the quarter primarily reflecting growth of £2.0 billion in Retail Banking partially offset by a £1.2 billion reduction in Commercial & Institutional due to active management of our commercial deposits and reduced liquidity in the market. Term balances now account for 17% of our book, up from 16% at the end of 2023.

- The loan:deposit ratio (LDR) (excl. repos and reverse repos) was 84% at Q1 2024, with customer deposits exceeding net loans to customers by around £66 billion.

- The liquidity coverage ratio (LCR) of 151%, representing £53.8 billion headroom above 100% minimum requirement, increased by 7 percentage points compared with Q4 2023 primarily due to increased issuance and customer deposits coupled with the replacement of the Cash Ratio Deposit scheme with a Bank of England Levy.

- TNAV per share increased by 10 pence in the quarter to 302 pence primarily reflecting the attributable profit for the period.

Shareholder return supported strong capital generation

- Common Equity Tier (CET1) ratio of 13.5% was 10 basis points higher than Q4 2023 as the attributable profit for the quarter, c.50 basis points, was largely offset by a £3.3 billion increase in RWAs, c.25 basis points, and a £367 million ordinary dividend deduction, c.20 basis points.

- RWAs increased by £3.3 billion in the quarter to £186.3 billion largely reflecting a £1.6 billion increase associated with the annual update to operational risk and lending growth within Commercial & Institutional.

Phil 2
Posted: 26 July 2024 06:49:28(UTC)

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Cue huge market overreaction as usual.
I’m no longer involved personally but an interested onlooker hoping the SP doesn’t zoom after I sold them recently (!)

NatWest Group posted a decline in interim profits as net interest margins fell and costs rose.

During the first half of its fiscal year, NatWest Group posted a decline in operating profits before tax of 15.6% to reach £3.03bn.

Net interest margins fell by 16 basis points to 2.07%, but improved by 5bp in the second quarter to 2.1%.

In parallel, the cost-to-income ratio worsened from 49.3% to 55.5% during the half.

Returns on tangible equity declined from 18.2% one year before to 16.4%.

Levels of default remained stable and at low levels across the portfolio, according to the lender.

The loan impairment rate was down by nine basis points at the half-year stage.

Management said that it now saw full-year income, excluding notable items, of approximately £14bn and expected the lender's return on tangible equity would increase to over 14%.

The interim dividend payout was hiked by 9% to 6p.
Ian Eccles
Posted: 26 July 2024 07:12:28(UTC)

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The only bank I now hold is Standard Chartered, I only keep hold of it in the hope some idiot will take it over, we have had a few bites over the years but when they look at the books they laugh.
I first bought in 2013 and believe it or not paid over £15/share (that's how much they have fallen) over the years I have reinvested their meagre dividend payments and now the average price is around £10/share.
PLEASE someone take them over.
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