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NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 13 October 2023 11:56:52(UTC)
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The winners will be Samsung SDI with a potential share price gain of 74pc over the next year, or LG Chem (+63pc).

Oh, OK, we can all pile into them then and forget the bonds. Err....
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Jonathan Friend
Posted: 13 October 2023 12:41:51(UTC)
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Tim D;282275 wrote:
Good read from AEP on the global race for battery tech/resources/production:
https://www.telegraph.co...ugh-eyes-goldman-sachs/
or https://archive.vn/EsUrP
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it is already irrelevant whether or not Britain and Europe have a petrol and diesel sale ban in 2035. The market will preempt it. If collectors want to keep buying a petrol car in the 2030s for political or nostalgia reasons, let them, so long as they are charged for the CO2 cost to society.


And yet, for all that, it isn't clear that there is even a carbon reduction benefit. As things stand, an EV has to do around 60,000 miles to breakeven with an efficient ICE vehicle. By which point the battery will need replacing, if not long before. So the CO2 maths don't seem to add up. And this is ignoring the other environmental impacts associated with lithium extraction and the EVs themselves. Going way heavier is a fundamentally inefficient use of energy (as the brake pad wear and associated dust help to demonstrate). Oh, and there's the small matter of providing all the necessary infrastructure to ensure an effective replacement of the existing situation. That will involve some undertaking and a massive environmental impact in its own right.

So it leaves that basic question: why?

The stuff about supply and prices I'm not convinced by. There's a huge stockpile of subsisidised EVs that consumers don't want, of course the prices are falling. As usual, Empire HQ is in favour of something where it has abundant associated resources to sell. Good old Goldman Sachs. We can always rely on them to provide an objective, technical analysis.

ICEs or some alternative will continue to do the heavy lifting to keep modern life and economies going until the gap is adequately filled. I guess we'll see by 2025 or so how things are panning out.
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NoMoreKickingCans on 13/10/2023(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 13 October 2023 13:10:24(UTC)
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Tim D;282275 wrote:
Good read from AEP on the global race for battery tech/resources/production:
https://www.telegraph.co...ugh-eyes-goldman-sachs/
or https://archive.vn/EsUrP
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it is already irrelevant whether or not Britain and Europe have a petrol and diesel sale ban in 2035. The market will preempt it. If collectors want to keep buying a petrol car in the 2030s for political or nostalgia reasons, let them, so long as they are charged for the CO2 cost to society.


They already are. It's called Fuel Excise Duty and it dwarfs the taxation on almost anything else. Its proportional to usage by it's nature. Nothing new is needed.

But are EV users going to be charged at a similar rate for the CO2 used to generate the electricity to charge their vehicles?

That would be fair...right?

Of course they can always opt out by choosing a green tariff.
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Tim D
Posted: 13 October 2023 14:07:03(UTC)
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NoMoreKickingCans;282282 wrote:
Interesting read.
I wonder where all the electrical power is going to come from though ?
Batteries need to be charged or you ain’t going nowhere, so still going to need to burn lots of coal, oil, and gas to make them go. Renewables are unreliable and costly, nuclear is almost abandoned in the UK.

I guess we will all be sharing the same common fleet of autonomous vehicles, owned by the WEF, while we get to pay to use them and own nothing.

What else is going to be changed by cheaper, better batteries I wonder ?


If you Google things like
national grid future energy scenarios "vehicle to grid"
you will find quite a lot about how supposedly it's going to be the country's massive EV fleet's batteries which are going to solve the renewables intermittency problem.
For example at
https://www.nationalgrid...ectric-vehicles/evs-and
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Vehicle to grid is the next stage on from smart charging. The idea is that electric vehicle owners will have a smart charging point that can talk to our technology via their energy supplier. EV owners can then automatically charge their car batteries when there is extra renewable power available and offload electricity when there is too much.

Combining smart charging and vehicle to grid technology means the EV owner simply sets a minimum charge for their battery (enough to get them to work and back, for example) and if the system requires a boost overnight, we can draw electricity from their battery – they will be paid for this of course!

Once the peak in demand has been satisfied, the charge will be returned.

This power sharing idea also has the possibility to be used commercially too. Like using electric cars parked at airports or a fleet of commercial vehicles, which are normally parked overnight, to help manage the ups and downs of renewable electricity generation.

In 2050, our latest Future Energy Scenarios (FES 2021) shows the total electricity demand for road transport in 2050 will be down to 153TWh. One way to think of vehicle to grid charging (V2G) is that it acts as a mini battery, giving power back to grid in times of high demand.

As more consumers start to own Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs), smart charging and V2G uptake will help manage the rise in renewable energy on the electricity system.

V2G will need to provide some incentives for the consumer to provide energy back to the grid. Watch our video on 'what is vehicle to grid technology' for more information.

There are challenges too of course. Because not all vehicles are always connected to the system, the available storage capacity from EVs varies in a way that differs from traditional energy storage systems.

Dunno... giving me strong "good luck with that"/"what could possibly go wrong" vibes...
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NoMoreKickingCans on 15/11/2023(UTC)
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Posted: 13 October 2023 14:33:58(UTC)
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"good luck with that"/"what could possibly go wrong"


Diesel was supposed to be a solution the last time around.
Before that it was petrol
Before that it was coal
Before that it was water
Before that it was trees
Before that it was the sun
Wind has always been there to push boats around the world.

Perhaps we can get the wind that comes out of our leaders, which should come out their rear end but somehow ends up coming out their front without ever getting a swirl in the mush between their ears but promises miracles and, light a match to that. People may just fall for that being a solution to our energy problem - after all that is what the real issue is.

I know that if you strike flame into the wind which exits ones rear end, there is a big explosion of energy in that the flame goes bigger and dissipates the gas and any odour which may have been expelled.
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NoMoreKickingCans on 15/11/2023(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 13 October 2023 17:10:37(UTC)
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https://www.instagram.co...vJxlYi9g3WY_QEq46hLILyk

Oh no!...... anyway.

It's a good job there isn't a serious fire risk with EV's. Otherwise there might have to be a re-think. Best for folk to stay in denial.
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Jonathan Friend
Posted: 18 October 2023 08:15:19(UTC)
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Recommendations for adapting to the fire risk posed by EVs.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/10...e-of-electric-car-fires/
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MartinY
Posted: 22 October 2023 17:28:24(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;282331 wrote:



https://www.instagram.co...vJxlYi9g3WY_QEq46hLILyk

Oh no!...... anyway.

It's a good job there isn't a serious fire risk with EV's. Otherwise there might have to be a re-think. Best for folk to stay in denial.


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It appears that there were two such Tesla fires. One in Turkey and one in France (the instagram link above). Both on the same day and at around the same time. One hell of a coincidence I would have thought.

https://www.autoevolutio...y-and-france-222653.html
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Jonathan Friend
Posted: 05 November 2023 10:31:17(UTC)
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This is an interesting read.

What is the betting that when the predicted cooling period arrives, all the warming alarmist goons claim that it was their policies that brought it about?

http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/a...metr/abduss_nkj_2009.pdf

'The Sun Defines the Climate', November 2008.

The intense solar energy flow radiated since the beginning of the 1990's is slowly decreasing and, in spite of conventional opinion, there is now an unavoidable advance toward a global temperature decrease, a deep temperature drop comparable to the Maunder minimum (Fig. 5). […]

The tendency toward a decline in global temperature observed in 2006-2008 (Fig. 7) will stop temporarily in 2010-2012. Then an increase in the [Total Solar Irradiance] is expected, as solar cycle 24 (a “short” [sun spot] cycle) will temporarily compensate for the declining bicentennial component. But if solar activity in the “short” cycle does not rise sufficiently, the cooling of planet [earth] will begin to the deep temperature drop in 2055-2060 ± 11 years, when temperature will be lower by 1.0 – 1.5 degrees. The following climate minimum will last 45-65 years, after which warming will necessarily begin, but only at the beginning of the 22nd century (Fig. 8).
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NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 13 November 2023 08:20:49(UTC)
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‘’Clean air’’, dirty money, filthy politics...

https://togetherdeclaration.org/...yFilthyPolitics_pub_.pdf
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