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bédé
Posted: 01 August 2022 11:41:53(UTC)
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I got accepted as a Commoner at 17 and preferred not to waste a 3rd tear in the Sixth. I got a State Scholarship based on my A & S-Levels and tthe odd £40 would have been deducted from that.. Because of my father's earnings, in the end the State paid nothing.
Because my father, and mother, were mean and controlling, I had less to spend that State grant people. Fortunately my father never understood Battels; I was able to supplement my meagre cash with a signature.
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Bulldog Drummond on 01/08/2022(UTC)
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Posted: 01 August 2022 11:42:10(UTC)
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Bulldog Drummond;232826 wrote:


With the possible exception of maths and maybe some sciences, I have always seen PhDs as a complete waste of time, involving research into some subject of no interest to myself because I don't understand it.


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Posted: 01 August 2022 11:48:49(UTC)
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Robert D;232839 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;232826 wrote:


With the possible exception of maths and maybe some sciences, I have always seen PhDs as a complete waste of time, involving research into some subject of no interest to myself because I don't understand it.


Corrected it for you


Another correction: surely you meant "DPhil."
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Posted: 01 August 2022 11:57:04(UTC)
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bédé;232838 wrote:
I got accepted as a Commoner at 17 and preferred not to waste a 3rd tear in the Sixth. I got a State Scholarship based on my A & S-Levels and tthe odd £40 would have been deducted from that.. Because of my father's earnings, in the end the State paid nothing.
Because my father, and mother, were mean and controlling, I had less to spend that State grant people. Fortunately my father never understood Battels; I was able to supplement my meagre cash with a signature.

Unfortunately my father, having been at BNC, did understand battels so when I tried that dodge it was flatly rejected. I was, however, lucky to have a very generous godfather who took the very sensible view that one could far more usefully spend money in youth than in later life. Without that I would also have been on very short commons. There are many things to be said for Yorkshiremen, but an open hand has rarely been mentioned.
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bédé on 01/08/2022(UTC)
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Posted: 01 August 2022 11:59:46(UTC)
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Robert D;232839 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;232826 wrote:


With the possible exception of maths and maybe some sciences, I have always seen PhDs as a complete waste of time, involving research into some subject of no interest to myself because I don't understand it.


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Four of them in my close family. I occasionally read their research papers and have not so far been impressed. I dare say that the fault is mine.
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Posted: 01 August 2022 12:26:08(UTC)
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bédé;232843 wrote:
Robert D;232839 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;232826 wrote:


With the possible exception of maths and maybe some sciences, I have always seen PhDs as a complete waste of time, involving research into some subject of no interest to myself because I don't understand it.


Corrected it for you


Another correction: surely you meant "DPhil."

Another reason why we were a bit dismissive of the "doctors" was that they tended to be PhD rather than DPhil.
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bédé on 01/08/2022(UTC)
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Posted: 01 August 2022 13:27:09(UTC)
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I think it is worth exploring, if it works it could be a huge benefit and produce a happier society. If it doesn't work then that would be evident in trials.
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Posted: 01 August 2022 13:49:19(UTC)
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AJW;232857 wrote:
I think it is worth exploring, if it works it could be a huge benefit and produce a happier society. If it doesn't work then that would be evident in trials.

I currently pay 45% income tax, plus NICs, plus VAT at 20%, extra on alcohol and tobacco and insurance/flight taxes, plus Council Tax, and another shedload when I die. At least I don't have to buy petrol. I have not noticed that my paying 6 figures a year has contributed to a happier society. If anything people seem to be becoming more whiny and unhappy.
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Robert D
Posted: 01 August 2022 13:59:30(UTC)
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Bulldog Drummond;232860 wrote:
AJW;232857 wrote:
I think it is worth exploring, if it works it could be a huge benefit and produce a happier society. If it doesn't work then that would be evident in trials.

I currently pay 45% income tax, plus NICs, plus VAT at 20%, extra on alcohol and tobacco and insurance/flight taxes, plus Council Tax, and another shedload when I die. At least I don't have to buy petrol. I have not noticed that my paying 6 figures a year has contributed to a happier society. If anything people seem to be becoming more whiny and unhappy.



Quite so.

People won't be happy until their children are forced to go up and sweep rich folk's chimneys, the mines are reopened and children can go and work the pit tunnel doors like they used to, women can work in dangerous cotton mills where they got dragged into and killed in dangerous looms, and the navy used to serve up bread with maggots in for sailors at sea.

Those were genuinely happy days when there was no government interference and the lords and masters could do exactly as they pleased and treat ordinary people like shit.
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Tim D on 01/08/2022(UTC)
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Posted: 01 August 2022 14:13:57(UTC)
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Robert D;232861 wrote:

Quite so.

People won't be happy until their children are forced to go up and sweep rich folk's chimneys, the mines are reopened and children can go and work the pit tunnel doors like they used to, women can work in dangerous cotton mills where they got dragged into and killed in dangerous looms, and the navy used to serve up bread with maggots in for sailors at sea.

Those were genuinely happy days when there was no government interference and the lords and masters could do exactly as they pleased and treat ordinary people like shit.

Eh. we were happier then. I used to dream of living in a corridor. It seems to me that the more money is given to the idle and feckless the more they complain that they want yet more.
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