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Is anyone investing in fixed rate cash deposits again?
Tim D
Posted: 23 August 2022 21:15:00(UTC)
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Fife Clive;235755 wrote:
Of course if the government hadn’t stepped in you wouldn’t have simply lost everything above £50k - you become an unsecured creditor in administration. The bank did have assets after all, it didn’t just take deposits and launch them into space. By 2014 the U.K. government having ‘stepped into depositors shoes’ as creditor to the failed Landsbanki had recovered 85% of the total outlay and by 2016 had recovered everything https://www.gov.uk/government/ne...ck-from-icesave-collapse https://www.gov.uk/government/ne...nal-payment-from-icesave


Was it quite as simple as "the bank did have assets after all?". One of those gov.uk links above includes
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I (Andrea Leadsom) have been pressing Ministers in Iceland to speed up the return of UK taxpayers’ money. That’s why I am delighted that we have today received a further, and significant, payment from the Landsbanki estate, which operated as Icesave in the UK.

If it was just a straight dispute with the bank, why were "Ministers in Iceland" involved?

I got the impression the Icelanders were rather opposed to it and the country had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming to pay up; indeed they had a referendum and 93% voted against paying. I think they perceived it as Icelanders' money being used to bail out the banks who were immediately paying it away abroad for the benefit of foreign depositors rather than icelanders. Some stories from 2011:
https://www.theguardian..../apr/11/iceland-icesave
https://www.thisismoney....ions-lost-in-crash.html
https://www.cityam.com/i...not-repay-the-uk-years/
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Bulldog Drummond
Posted: 23 August 2022 21:57:50(UTC)
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Apostate;235756 wrote:


3.2% compounded over 5 years is 17.3% - that's better than the TR for any of the Global High Yield bond funds on HL over the last 5 years - and with FSCS protection

You really think that is a fair comparison?
Jimmy Page
Posted: 23 August 2022 22:17:58(UTC)
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Bulldog Drummond;235761 wrote:
Apostate;235756 wrote:


3.2% compounded over 5 years is 17.3% - that's better than the TR for any of the Global High Yield bond funds on HL over the last 5 years - and with FSCS protection

You really think that is a fair comparison?

NCYF - New City High Yield Fund - on HL, 5 year Total Return 26.26%. (You're welcome, Apostate).
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Bulldog Drummond on 23/08/2022(UTC)
Fife Clive
Posted: 23 August 2022 22:24:07(UTC)
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Tim D;235760 wrote:

Was it quite as simple as "the bank did have assets after all?". One of those gov.uk links above includes
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I (Andrea Leadsom) have been pressing Ministers in Iceland to speed up the return of UK taxpayers’ money. That’s why I am delighted that we have today received a further, and significant, payment from the Landsbanki estate, which operated as Icesave in the UK.

If it was just a straight dispute with the bank, why were "Ministers in Iceland" involved?


As I recall there were two concurrent avenues for realisation of redress from the failed banks.

One was that the bank did indeed have significant assets that needed to be unwound, which one of your links (Guardian) actually states:

“A sale of assets belonging to Landsbanki, the bank that created Icesave, will provide much of the cash to reimburse the British and Dutch governments. Indeed, earlier this year an independent report estimated that the Icelandic people might be on the hook for as little as £125m”

The other was that the Icelandic government acted to protect their own depositors, but not those of other nations, despite the single Landsbanki licence being used in U.K. & Netherlands through passporting.

This is in your thisismoney link: “Iceland refused to pay compensation to foreign nationals, forcing the British and Dutch governments to step in and pay out billions of pounds in compensation to angry savers.”

That was the main beef at the time between the respective governments - that Iceland was favouring its own depositors, when by right a British/Dutch saver should have received the same ‘deal’ from the Icelandic government (as the home regulator of the passported licence)

So the U.K. government thought the Icelandic government should extend the same compensation terms to U.K. savers, and become the unsecured creditor to the bank instead. Since they didn’t, U.K. govt had to wait in line for the administration to proceed.

I assume when Leadsom was banging on about diplomacy having worked this was due to the Landsbanki in administration having been taken over effectively by the Icelandic state.
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Tim D on 24/08/2022(UTC)
NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 23 August 2022 22:34:56(UTC)
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what high yield investment is going to beat 10% inflation - maybe 20% next year?


20% inflation next year ? Do you mean such a figure for one month in January and before taking account of government energy handouts ?

There must seriously be zero chance of inflation of 20% over the year Sep22-Sep23. If such a thing happened it would indicate WW3 had started. The army would have to be deployed to keep order and the government would likely fall. You would be calling 30% inflation over 2 years - and whilst train drivers might get 30% pay increases no-one else would and many would be 25% worse off - we would be into a global depression. I think if waving such figures around some justification is required.
Apostate
Posted: 24 August 2022 06:53:58(UTC)
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Jimmy Page;235764 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;235761 wrote:
Apostate;235756 wrote:


3.2% compounded over 5 years is 17.3% - that's better than the TR for any of the Global High Yield bond funds on HL over the last 5 years - and with FSCS protection

You really think that is a fair comparison?

NCYF - New City High Yield Fund - on HL, 5 year Total Return 26.26%. (You're welcome, Apostate).


no need to be snippy :-)

that's good - I didn't know where to find high yield bond investment trusts

good 5yr TR - are there any other similar ITs?
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Apostate
Posted: 24 August 2022 06:55:57(UTC)
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NoMoreKickingCans;235766 wrote:
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what high yield investment is going to beat 10% inflation - maybe 20% next year?


20% inflation next year ? Do you mean such a figure for one month in January and before taking account of government energy handouts ?

There must seriously be zero chance of inflation of 20% over the year Sep22-Sep23. If such a thing happened it would indicate WW3 had started. The army would have to be deployed to keep order and the government would likely fall. You would be calling 30% inflation over 2 years - and whilst train drivers might get 30% pay increases no-one else would and many would be 25% worse off - we would be into a global depression. I think if waving such figures around some justification is required.



Citibank forecasting 18.6% in January - but maybe it needs to reach 20% for the balloons to go up
Easyrider
Posted: 24 August 2022 07:19:35(UTC)
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The only way the ordinary Joe can help to moderate inflation is to cut back on consumption. Simply stop buying things. Don't put fuel in your car, walk or cycle. Don't eat out, eat at home and eat less. Turn down your heating. Only buy a new pair of shoes when the old ones fall off your feet.
And boycott shops cafes and restaurants which insist on electronic payment as opposed to accepting cash in the form of paper and coin.
One can monitor expenditure more easily using cash.
Also don't go on holiday. Have a staystation in the garden.
Also grow more of your food.
"Is anyone investing in fixed rate cash deposits again?"
My wife and I hold close to the maximum in premium bonds which can be likened to cash deposits with the chance, however miniscule, of winning a substantial amount.
Also I'm invested in NS&I index bonds which I've rolled over several times.
I like having a finger in most pies.
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bédé
Posted: 24 August 2022 08:11:57(UTC)
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Bank deposuts:

It's what I did in my 20s.
First job, no capital. Buying a car on hire purchase. Living in cheap grottty furnished flats. Saving 100% of my wife's earnings to buy a house in 2 years. I didn't know any better. Things were different then; stock markets less easily/cheaply accessible.

Now I am in my 80s..
Retired, comfortable, and have some capital ans pensions. More than enough. But still live frugally. Things are different now. ISAs, GIAs and SIPPs are available, cheap and simple.

Things are different for you. Listen to what I say, but don't, necessarily, do what I do.
Sara G
Posted: 24 August 2022 08:51:02(UTC)
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Easyrider;235780 wrote:
The only way the ordinary Joe can help to moderate inflation is to cut back on consumption. Simply stop buying things. Don't put fuel in your car, walk or cycle. Don't eat out, eat at home and eat less. Turn down your heating. Only buy a new pair of shoes when the old ones fall off your feet.
And boycott shops cafes and restaurants which insist on electronic payment as opposed to accepting cash in the form of paper and coin.
One can monitor expenditure more easily using cash.
Also don't go on holiday. Have a staystation in the garden.
Also grow more of your food.
"Is anyone investing in fixed rate cash deposits again?"
My wife and I hold close to the maximum in premium bonds which can be likened to cash deposits with the chance, however miniscule, of winning a substantial amount.
Also I'm invested in NS&I index bonds which I've rolled over several times.
I like having a finger in most pies.


With regard to the point about spending less, frugality comes naturally to me so in some ways that's a no-brainer, and if it helps keep a lid on inflation, then we're increasing the real rate of return on our cash savings. But what happens if we all stop going to our favourite restaurants and local shops? Those businesses may never recover from the recession that follows. I'll be making savings where I can, but also planning a (no doubt eye-wateringly expensive) visit to a certain restaurant that I would hate to see disappear.
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Easyrider on 24/08/2022(UTC)
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