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Newbie
Posted: 19 August 2023 15:04:40(UTC)

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Sara G;276812 wrote:
Good points from Newbie, regarding the risks for another builder taking on an unfinished project. I'm wondering if a possible solution might be to contact Building Control (whether LA or private) so that they can verify that what has been done so far is up to scratch, using the specified materials and so on?

Thank you Sara.
My experience has been that an Engineer or Architect specifies the requirements in accordance with the guidelines operational at that time and it all looks and sounds great on paper and get approved. However the builder/contractor actually on the floor may not necessarily 100% follow those and more unlikely in small builds and extensions (large developments are a different issue and matter in ministerial campaigns and lobbies to larger affected groups unlike neighbourly objections in small ones).

LA BC generally come in when the contractor / builder calls them up to say they are at a milestone which needs to be signed off and pops along an individual with a clipboard and hard hat, kicks, stamps and pokes a few places and then has cuppa where they ask if (the contractor) if they have been compliant and off they go. In other words it is more of a tick box process as opposed to an inquisitive and inspectional one.

Obvousuly with larger builds the risk of public outcry and powers above coming down hard pulls the attention away from extensions and small builds. In fact many builders now prefer approved third parties acting as BC to sign off works (who are less stringent and some not even visiting sites) to get around LA BC checks.

Many of my neighbours have have extensions and builds which not only is not in line with the planned material use for things such as the roof, windows and rendering but is also not in line with the plans themselves - In fact a neighbour decided that whilst they had permission for a two storey side and rear extension they would put in a fully large staircase to an unplanned third floor - was a loft space now fully kitted play area for kids. BC never picked it up and even when the owner tried to show it to them they were not interested as it was not on their list to check.

As with another property which sold last year, the problem will only be when the current owners come to sell and the new buyers solicitors pick it up and may demand to it be removed or get it signed off by BC, ie after the event.

Nevertheless it would be a good place to start. It may be worth trying to get the builder to show his schedule (timing and order wise of the project or work and what the end job is to be) and for him to identify where he is at. This may either give you some reassurance that things are moving or sound alarm bells or give you an opportunity to sit down with your contractor and devise a meaningful progressive route to the end of your desired goal
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Sara G on 19/08/2023(UTC)
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Posted: 19 August 2023 16:04:17(UTC)

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From the post from the OP yesterday, it doesn't look like sticking with the current cowboys is an option. To do 20 man hours in a week (and that is a good week) is pretty pathetic for something that looks like it is already way over the schedule.

So based on the info provided, I would go with someone else. If you haven't already I would formally write to your builder with your complaints and issues with every little thing you can think of that has not been done properly or has gone wrong. The contract should have the contact details. Does the contract include a detailed schedule? You can refer to that for the delays.

Writing in this formal way and detailing every little thing (to piss the builder off) will make it easier for the contract to end, if the builder isn't already by now wanting to end it himself. But I suspect this builder has got a lot of cash cow contracts going on at the same time, just likes the cash flow but very limited by resources, hence the delays and poor performance.
Jonathan Friend
Posted: 19 August 2023 21:27:32(UTC)
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Sara G;276794 wrote:


It's such a tough thing to go through, and so many people are in the same boat, due to the myriad problems with the UK's old housing stock that is often not fit for purpose, as alluded to in Jonathan's post. Have a look at the property feed on Mumsnet and you'll definitely know that you're not alone, and that pretty much all renovation projects seem to overrun and be difficult and stressful. I find that reading about others' experiences and coping strategies can be helpful. But the strain of it has been immense at times. I'm on medication and have lost a stone in weight (not in a good way). I drink more than I did before, and sleep can be elusive.


Thanks for sharing this, Sara. This is the first time I've read about others going through similar experiences - what a revelation, although I'm sorry to hear it as well. I'm a pretty resilient person but my god, the past 18 months' have been hell at points! I've had to face down some demons, and have also found myself resorting to the drink - I'd never been much of a drinker previously. Add in all the other things that come up in life and can be challenging enough, and it goes to show how much stress so many people are dealing with. I think it's one of the reasons I've developed a bit of a hard edge and find it difficult to care about these millionaire victim narratives I'm apparently supposed to be interested in.

I'll say this to you and NMKC - you've had the courage to take on something stressful and difficult, and for that you have my respect. You didn't take the easy option. It'll all get there in the end and you can be very proud of your efforts.
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Lex Further
Posted: 21 August 2023 22:47:17(UTC)

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Having a stressful job is very difficult and has a huge influence on our health. That's why i am trying to avoid things which make me very nervous. All the things can be delegated if you find a right person for that. Recently i found a good service https://paperfellows.com/write-my-paper which offer to write a paper instead of me and the fee is absolutely affordable. Why would i waste my time for that if professionals will do it much quicker?
John Bran
Posted: 27 August 2023 14:17:10(UTC)

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Depends on what I want doing.
I go up my road knock on a builders door he comes round tells me what needs doing and how I can do it.
He then comes back checks and helps when needed (8 foot concrete fence posts for instance)
He is trained electrician but has let his qualification lapse but will do the odd electrical work.
Laid bricks etc but I have to be the hod carrier, to the top of a terraced garden. Charges to the nearest quarter of an hour.
I go down the other end of the road for plumbing and welding work. Normally have to pay for welding metal work minor plumbing is normally free.
I do allowe the latter to give my dog treats every morning. Quid pro quo
I have now learnt never to hire a mate whose a builder. Inevitable bodging.
NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 29 August 2023 20:30:31(UTC)

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Bloody plumbers - why have you run your pipes that way ? Now they are blocking X, now they are stopping Y. My old cylinder and a large quantity of copper pipe that he took out are nowhere to be found - stolen from me as far as I am concerned.

Apparently despite you paying them, they consider it acceptable to steal from you.

Third leak incident today, who pays to repaint the stained ceiling ?
Dentmaster
Posted: 29 August 2023 20:51:35(UTC)

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Time to change your plumbers.
NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 29 August 2023 22:21:40(UTC)

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Time to change your plumbers.

That’s the rub. If you have contracted a builder you can’t change your plumber unless the builder agrees. Never ever contract a builder to build something is the key lesson. The builder’s interests do not match your interests as a customer. The tradies do not work for you they work for the builder and he, not you will tell them what to do, and provide them with the materials he the builder has sourced/chosen - e.g. bent timber for stud work. The chippy doesn’t get to choose the timber or reject it - he works for the builder, not the customer.

To do building work you don’t need a builder, you need to hire a good construction project manager with experience and contacts. The PM works for you, he finds contractors, if any turn out unsuitable they get sacked and you can find another one. Far more controllable, everyone’s interests far better aligned.

Builders can’t project manage and they can’t control when subcontract trades will or will not come to site. Every tradie is juggling jobs around. So why do you need a builder ? - you don’t, they are just an overhead for the work trying to maximise how much they can rake off for themselves by using cheap materials and cheap tradies. Often they don’t pay the tradies until you pay them because they don’t have any working capital in the business.
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SF100
Posted: 30 August 2023 11:41:18(UTC)

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NoMoreKickingCans;277762 wrote:
To do building work you don’t need a builder, you need to hire a good construction project manager with experience and contacts..
I feel your pain.
However, there are a multitude of horror stories in the new-build sector, i.e short-cuts will be taken regardless.

Just be thankful you don't know what's 'under the surface' of your own house, or anyone else's for that matter!! Good luck with the rest of the project.
Jonathan Friend
Posted: 30 August 2023 14:12:37(UTC)

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SF100;277796 wrote:
NoMoreKickingCans;277762 wrote:
To do building work you don’t need a builder, you need to hire a good construction project manager with experience and contacts..
I feel your pain.
However, there are a multitude of horror stories in the new-build sector, i.e short-cuts will be taken regardless.

Just be thankful you don't know what's 'under the surface' of your own house, or anyone else's for that matter!! Good luck with the rest of the project.


Every tradesmen I speak to, when I say I should've bought a new build, laughs - because they've seen what goes on. It seems many of the those working on such developments are paid piece-rate or similar so they're incentivised to rush and not keen wasting time on the finer details. The developers are crushed between high land prices and endless new building regulations which put up the costs. Overall quality seems to be the main victim.
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