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Sara G
Posted: 27 August 2024 14:15:38(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;317141 wrote:
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About time they got the lazy buggers back to work and pay their way like I had to do.


Huh?

So because you had a hard time you think everyone should?

I ask why should I pay for the workshy, the 'sick scroungers', for HS2, for hotels for boat people, the piss heads and weed smokers etc. etc.

No thanks. I don't owe those people anything.

What I have I worked hard for. I paid a lot of tax. I worked hard so I could retire early. How does that make me 'lazy' (if I understand the comment correctly)



I'm guessing Ian is referring to those of working age who don't work, but could do so?


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Robin B
Posted: 27 August 2024 14:18:39(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;317141 wrote:
Ian Eccles;317104 wrote:

About time they got the lazy buggers back to work and pay their way like I had to do.


Huh?

So because you had a hard time you think everyone should?

I ask why should I pay for the workshy, the 'sick scroungers', for HS2, for hotels for boat people, the piss heads and weed smokers etc. etc.

No thanks. I don't owe those people anything.

What I have I worked hard for. I paid a lot of tax. I worked hard so I could retire early. How does that make me 'lazy' (if I understand the comment correctly)



Oversensitive much?

He obviously wasn't talking about you or people who are sustaining themselves, whether in early retirement or otherwise.
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Newbie
Posted: 27 August 2024 14:20:42(UTC)
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A huge majority coming for Kemi in 2029 if she gets rid of many of the old faces and takes on immigration and culture.

UK Population in 2004 - 60 Million
UK Population in 2024 - 69 Million

UK GDP per capita hasn't increased in 17 years.

Does not really mean a lot to the average UK national
They do not know what that means !
Need to break it down in real terms.
I remember an old retired school maths teacher friend who was asked to support in a not so well performing school/class. She struggled in the first couple of weeks and was stuck about how to get the kids to behave, listen and hopefully learn.
Long story short she started using examples which actually translated to what he kids understood, ounces, 1/8th, grams, score, bobby etc etc. She had better success using this method.
So GDP, National Debt, Defecit etc etc means diddly squat to a large voting population.
Instead terms such as immigrants taking your jobs, EU taking away your powers translates and means something which they can better comprehend.
I also remember getting into a heated debate with a sub-contractor whom my builder used but had not paid yet.
Upon turning up at my premises and making his way round the back I tried to explain to him that I had paid the lead contractor whom I had a contract with and he needed to take the issue up with him. After some serious exchanges, police were called and he walked away, only to return again in 10 mins and confront my wife and young kids around - Police were notified again and this happened a few times - Eventually an officer told me the main problem was the way I spoke - the sub-contractor thought I was belittling him with my use of phrases - instead he was used to geezer, mate, dough etc etc.

So to win votes a politician needs to look at the make up of voters and speak to them in a language they understand or take measures to bring up the population to a level so they can understand real issues.

However history has shown us that leaders do not want the latter and it is why many politicians on the fringes get bursts of power and acceptance when they pull on a small but explosive thread and then let the snowball and herd mentality do the rest. Then over time they move back to centre ground as real people start to put out the flames and start to quell these extreme ideologies who are not really interested in the well being of the people, rather the power that comes with it.
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 27 August 2024 14:23:16(UTC)
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Sara G;317144 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;317141 wrote:
Ian Eccles;317104 wrote:

About time they got the lazy buggers back to work and pay their way like I had to do.


Huh?

So because you had a hard time you think everyone should?

I ask why should I pay for the workshy, the 'sick scroungers', for HS2, for hotels for boat people, the piss heads and weed smokers etc. etc.

No thanks. I don't owe those people anything.

What I have I worked hard for. I paid a lot of tax. I worked hard so I could retire early. How does that make me 'lazy' (if I understand the comment correctly)



I'm guessing Ian is referring to those of working age who don't work, but could do so?



Well that's me. I'm 60. I could work. But I neither need to nor want to.

We have a million more people in the country than jobs. If I take a job I am just depriving someone else of it that maybe does want or need it. Where is the net benefit in that for society? The same tax gets paid whichever one of us does it.

The problem is there aren't enough productive jobs to raise the required tax. Trying to bully me into taking one off someone else is utterly pointless and results in two unhappy people.

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Robin B
Posted: 27 August 2024 14:30:00(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;317149 wrote:
Trying to bully me into taking one off someone else is utterly pointless and results in two unhappy people.



Nobody has suggested that and it isn't going to happen.
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Sara G
Posted: 27 August 2024 14:46:39(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;317149 wrote:
Sara G;317144 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;317141 wrote:
Ian Eccles;317104 wrote:

About time they got the lazy buggers back to work and pay their way like I had to do.


Huh?

So because you had a hard time you think everyone should?

I ask why should I pay for the workshy, the 'sick scroungers', for HS2, for hotels for boat people, the piss heads and weed smokers etc. etc.

No thanks. I don't owe those people anything.

What I have I worked hard for. I paid a lot of tax. I worked hard so I could retire early. How does that make me 'lazy' (if I understand the comment correctly)



I'm guessing Ian is referring to those of working age who don't work, but could do so?




Well that's me. I'm 60. I could work. But I neither need to nor want to.

We have a million more people in the country than jobs. If I take a job I am just depriving someone else of it that maybe does want or need it. Where is the net benefit in that for society? The same tax gets paid whichever one of us does it.

The problem is there aren't enough productive jobs to raise the required tax. Trying to bully me into taking one off someone else is utterly pointless and results in two unhappy people.



Yes, in that sense it's me too! I should have clarified, I think he means people on benefits who are effectively regarding work as optional.

NB if my taxes do rise very significantly I will definitely review the options in terms of a small part time job. I won't strictly need to work, but I might need to hedge my bets, especially if pensions are targeted further in the next 5-10 years.
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Keith Cobby
Posted: 27 August 2024 15:05:19(UTC)
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I'm not sure it matters who is Tory leader, what can they offer after 14 years that the voters will believe. Most things have continued to get worse, the highest tax burden, falling GDP per capita, failing NHS, an enormous increase in immigration while they have let millions of Britons live off other peoples' labours. Reform are a serious and possibly (hopefully) existential threat to the Conservative Party.
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Posted: 27 August 2024 15:42:59(UTC)
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I am 42 and retired quite recently. I have paid a multiple hundreds of thousands of pounds in income and NI taxes. Did so to be able to retire early. Hope no one thinks I am a lazy scrounger and should slave away!

I too worry about the tax burden that looks more and more likely to fall on the wealth bracket I am in. It is this pressure on those who do well that gets me, having to taxes to pay for those less well off and not wanting to work and pay their way. Meanwhile the rich has the resources, both financial and non-financial to get away with paying much at all in taxes. Made even worse by the sheer amount of taxes I have paid to date, which likely most people would not come close to paying in their lifetimes.

So there is no point in working if I do not need to. I certainly don't have to. And to those who suggest I am lazy and should work, I tell them they should work a little harder so I do not have to.
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Nigel G
Posted: 27 August 2024 18:22:12(UTC)
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Apparently, British pensioners living in Europe are set to keep the winter fuel allowance while those at home will lose the payment. Expats living in the European Union plus Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland are guaranteed the allowance by the Brexit withdrawal agreement.
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Sara G
Posted: 27 August 2024 18:54:16(UTC)
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Nigel G;317212 wrote:
Apparently, British pensioners living in Europe are set to keep the winter fuel allowance while those at home will lose the payment. Expats living in the European Union plus Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland are guaranteed the allowance by the Brexit withdrawal agreement.


I think it's only until next April. Also, aren't their pensions frozen?
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