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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 15 February 2025 22:52:33(UTC)
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Both candidates and both VP's wer/are truly awful.

The sad thing is that this is the best America can come up with.

I didn't support Harris, I just thought she was the least bad.


Today, it seems, the GOP are proposing a ban on the 'Morning After Pill'

https://www.newsweek.com...ng%20from%20conception.

Really? Anyone prepared to support that here?
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Sheerman on 16/02/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 15 February 2025 23:03:53(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;334613 wrote:

Both candidates and both VP's wer/are truly awful.

The sad thing is that this is the best America can come up with.

I didn't support Harris, I just thought she was the least bad.


Today, it seems, the GOP are proposing a ban on the 'Morning After Pill'

https://www.newsweek.com...ng%20from%20conception.

Really? Anyone prepared to support that here?


Why do the opinions of anyone else matter?

The United States and North Dakota are sovereign states. They are entitled to pass whatever laws they wish, and this particular bill is at an early stage [no pun intended] )

Abortion is a "hot-button" issue in the US. It's nobody's business but theirs.

Whatever your partisan opinions of the candidates, Trump/Vance won decisively, and Harris was humiliated. Get over it...

You sound like the type of person Vance was speaking to directly in his speech...
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Jay P on 15/02/2025(UTC), Robin B on 15/02/2025(UTC), Keith Cobby on 16/02/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 16 February 2025 00:34:49(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;334613 wrote:

Really? Anyone prepared to support that here?


Maybe. The birth rate here is far too low and the British will go extinct if it carries on. You seem to be in favour of this trend, for reasons that are unclear. I am not.

Your obsession with preventing pregnancy and birth is, frankly, quite disturbing. I personally like to see my family members, friends, neighbours, colleagues and wider community of people - who are like me - having children. Both my heart and my mind are satisfied by this, which is quite normal. What isn't normal is 2.5 million unborn-baby killings every decade and driving our birth rate through the floor. So that greedy people, who believe in nothing other than money, can lower the wage bill. All the other stupid, mad reasons are in the service of that hollow goal, plus laziness. Feminism, environmentalism, and all the other intellectual shite.

As I explained above, the much maligned (by people like you) Christian instincts are often morally sound and for the individual and greater good. The US are lucky to still have this spiritual vitality, in places. It could serve them very well indeed. Where we will end up on the other hand, if these self destructive trends carry on, is predictable enough.

Incidentally, I previously held views like yours and had a similar outlook. It seems to be part of an unfortunate cultural phenomenon. I realised the error of my ways.
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Jay P on 16/02/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 16 February 2025 07:20:14(UTC)
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Why do the opinions of anyone else matter?
The United States and North Dakota are sovereign states. They are entitled to pass whatever laws they wish, and this particular bill is at an early stage [no pun intended] )

While true that majorities holding power can exercise that power, in general democracies have tended to have respect and tolerance for minorities and chosen NOT to enact policies which completely oppress them. We need democracy AND TOLERANCE, not tolerance of anything, but some tolerance of difference and respect for individual freedoms such as bodily autonomy.

Part of the problem is all this extreme partisan politics. Appealing to fundamentalist Christians by banning abortions in entirety is exercising tyranny over the lives of others. Why ? Because you refuse to respect any other views, refuse to allow others to have choice, insist on imposing your will on others. The reasonable approach supported by the majority is to allow abortion and morning after pills under certain circumstances. If you are a Christian fundamentalist you are free to practice your own beliefs and to preach to others, insisting that you can impose your views on all others is not acceptable.

People polarising issues is part of the problem of today's politics.

To Sara I'd say, it is possibly the duty of all of us with moderate views and willingness to actually discuss ideas on both sides of an issue and their pros and cons, to participate in politics at all levels from a forum discussion to, voting, party membership, standing as candidates etc. Otherwise all we will ever get is people at all levels from councillors, through MPs, to governments that are populated by people with uncompromising views.

https://youtu.be/8K6-cEAJZlE?feature=shared
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Sara G on 16/02/2025(UTC), Guest on 16/02/2025(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 16 February 2025 08:17:00(UTC)
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Neminem Laedit;334614 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;334613 wrote:

Both candidates and both VP's wer/are truly awful.

The sad thing is that this is the best America can come up with.

I didn't support Harris, I just thought she was the least bad.


Today, it seems, the GOP are proposing a ban on the 'Morning After Pill'

https://www.newsweek.com...ng%20from%20conception.

Really? Anyone prepared to support that here?


Why do the opinions of anyone else matter?

The United States and North Dakota are sovereign states. They are entitled to pass whatever laws they wish, and this particular bill is at an early stage [no pun intended] )

Abortion is a "hot-button" issue in the US. It's nobody's business but theirs.

Whatever your partisan opinions of the candidates, Trump/Vance won decisively, and Harris was humiliated. Get over it...

You sound like the type of person Vance was speaking to directly in his speech...



So abortion in America 'nobody's business but theirs'.

But it's ok for Vance to lecture the UK on abortion protests. How is that not 'nobody's business but ours?'

Big fat dose of double standards right there...🤷🏼‍♂️

And yet you don't see that...😏




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NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 16 February 2025 08:21:29(UTC)
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Free speech is effectively a tolerance enshrined in constitutions, precedent, history, culture.

But tolerance has its limits. People cannot tolerate the intolerable where there are differences in values that are so fundamental they are impossible to reconcile. Islamists that want to kill infidels, prevent freedom of speech, set up their own alternative 'law and order' system - it isn't something that is compatible or tolerable.

Western values of free speech, free press, democracy, meritocracy, tolerance, the separation of executive, legislature, church, and judiciary (and academia). Things that have evolved and become enshrined over centuries are under challenge by those that want absolute power to impose their will - the will of Islam/Allah, the will of the CCP, the will of the Globalists, the will of Putin, the will of Soros & Gates, the will of Nepotists. These people are trying by all means possible to subvert our values and systems to their will and NOT the will of an educated and enlightened people.
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Sara G on 16/02/2025(UTC), Guest on 16/02/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 16 February 2025 08:49:42(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 16 February 2025 09:49:34(UTC)
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NoMoreKickingCans;334625 wrote:


Western values of free speech, free press, democracy, meritocracy, tolerance, the separation of executive, legislature, church, and judiciary (and academia).

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Quite...

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Court orders declaring President Donald Trump’s executive actions overbroad or outright unconstitutional have left some Republican leaders considering a new strategy to protect the White House agenda: impeach federal judges who disagree with them.


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Perhaps the loudest critic of recent court orders is Trump’s enforcer Elon Musk, who was particularly bothered by the court's oversight of him and the newly formed Department of Government Efficiency.

“There needs to be an immediate wave of judicial impeachments, not just one,” he posted on social media.


https://www.usnews.com/n...-agenda-can-that-happen

Seems many here cite the CCP and Islamists while turning a blind eye or even cheering on what is happening in the USA.

Trump has done a great deal since taking office. Yet Congress have not passed a single piece of legislation since January 20th. What you are seeing is verging on autocracy under construction.

I used to laugh at Americans who wanted guns 'in case their govermemt ever went crazy'. Now I'm not so sure it's so funny anymore.
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NoMoreKickingCans on 16/02/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 16 February 2025 10:40:53(UTC)
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Seems many here cite the CCP and Islamists while turning a blind eye or even cheering on what is happening in the USA.

Yes, it is a difficult thing. Unfortunately once the judiciary becomes politicised things get very very difficult. The US has a politicised supreme court anyway. It was I guess intended to offer some check and balance, but successive administrations have used it to make almost pure political appointments to the supreme court of ever less independently minded judges.

We have become infected by the same illness over here. The role of judges is supposed to be to impartially apply the law. However we have seen a new generation of judges and hosts of lefty lawyers that have seen their role as to advance the politics of the left/globalists, principally by distorting, corrupting, and endlessly extending the idea of individual human rights.

The battle between democrats and republicans and generally in the west between right leaning and left leaning has become ever more intense and ever dirtier, nastier, more corrupt, more partisan, more censorious, more litigious.

When I watched some of 'House of Cards' I thought it was far fetched. Now I see some voices claiming 57 politically inconvenient people strangely died or disappeared under the Clinton administration. You can't help but wonder how bad it is out there. 'They' killed JFK, 'they' tried to kill Trump. 'They' denied RFK Jr security protection.

I am always wary of self declared saviours. The only thing you can say is the globalist left was in danger of taking total control via the use of censorship, corruption and the immigrant vote.

I currently see Musk as autistic idealist rather than dictator. An antidote to the horrors of Soros and Gates. But as they say 'Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely'.
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Posted: 16 February 2025 11:03:14(UTC)
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It is very dangerous to say 'the judges are a problem' but it does seem that 'the judges are a problem'.
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