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Phil 2
Posted: 01 February 2023 12:08:49(UTC)

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Steve U;255930 wrote:
there's going to be quite a few disappointed investors on here if we don't see a RCP improvement in the coming weeks - including me, where following my seeemingly easy £6k profit a few weeks ago, I bought back in with 12k units last week.


“Patience you must have my young Padawan.”
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SF100
Posted: 01 February 2023 13:41:41(UTC)

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Steve U;255930 wrote:
1. if we don't see a RCP improvement in the coming weeks - including me,
2. where following my seeemingly easy £6k profit a few weeks ago, I bought back in with 12k units last week.

1. push the boat out, why not?!!
2. who was it that said " making money is not meant to be this easy" ?!
Steve U
Posted: 01 February 2023 15:33:16(UTC)

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Phil 2;255933 wrote:
Steve U;255930 wrote:
there's going to be quite a few disappointed investors on here if we don't see a RCP improvement in the coming weeks - including me, where following my seeemingly easy £6k profit a few weeks ago, I bought back in with 12k units last week.


“Patience you must have my young Padawan.”



ha ha - I totally agree.

I don't see this as a punt like some of the others I have made over the years.
Quite happy to keep RCP as a medium/long term hold alongside CGT and PNL in my SIPP - 5%, 12% and 7% respectively
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Phil 2 on 01/02/2023(UTC)
Mostly Rational
Posted: 01 February 2023 16:29:45(UTC)

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The movement the last couple of days on no real new information has been interesting and I haven't been able to come up with a reason this timing for a sharp fall would be rational. I'm out of things I'm willing to sell to buy more but this seems like a gift from the market.
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Phil 2 on 01/02/2023(UTC)
Strangways
Posted: 06 February 2023 08:27:27(UTC)

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Im not sure I'd be putting this link on the front page of my website if I was RCP.
Quote:
Chris Clothier, chief financial officer at CG Asset Management and co-manager for wealth preservation at Capital Gearing Trust (CGT), has recently reiterated his view that “bitcoin is not an ‘asset’ that we are prepared to buy for our clients”.
“Events [last] year culminating in the collapse of FTX have shown that... rather than creating a new financial system, crypto has simply recreated a facsimile of the old financial system it sought to replace and one rather worse than that of its predecessor,” he writes.
Intentionally or not, Clothier’s words remind us that some of its competitors were not always quite as cautious [...]
Another wealth preservation trust, RIT Capital Partners (RCP), holds about 2 per cent of its portfolio in three crypto platforms. According to Numis, the trust had the option to invest directly in FTX, but the company never passed the managers’ diligence threshold. “RIT views blockchain as a platform technology that has potential over the long term, however [it believes] asset selection is critical as there will be significant volatility as the sector develops,” Numis analysts explain.


This puts a more positive spin on things.
mdss68
Posted: 06 February 2023 08:36:46(UTC)

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Strangways;256536 wrote:
Im not sure I'd be putting this link on the front page of my website if I was RCP: https://www.ritcap.com/s...-%2017%20Jan%202023.pdf

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Chris Clothier, chief financial officer at CG Asset Management and co-manager for wealth preservation at Capital Gearing Trust (CGT), has recently reiterated his view that “bitcoin is not an ‘asset’ that we are prepared to buy for our clients”.
“Events [last] year culminating in the collapse of FTX have shown that... rather than creating a new financial system, crypto has simply recreated a facsimile of the old financial system it sought to replace and one rather worse than that of its predecessor,” he writes.
Intentionally or not, Clothier’s words remind us that some of its competitors were not always quite as cautious [...]
Another wealth preservation trust, RIT Capital Partners (RCP), holds about 2 per cent of its portfolio in three crypto platforms. According to Numis, the trust had the option to invest directly in FTX, but the company never passed the managers’ diligence threshold. “RIT views blockchain as a platform technology that has potential over the long term, however [it believes] asset selection is critical as there will be significant volatility as the sector develops,” Numis analysts explain.


We are such clever buggers we saw through an overly hairy polyamorous child with a Ponzi scheme.......

It's in the same vein as the notorious line in the annual report ... "Our performance was much improved by NOT holding Share X (despite share x not really being withing our mandate, but hey.....)

They may have their moments, but RIT are not Kevin O'Leary ;)
Andy JR
Posted: 06 February 2023 10:00:51(UTC)

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This now stock buzzword / phrase about the underlying potential of blockchain technology is spread all over like confetti, what the heck does it mean if anything?
Confetti leaves a right mess that at some point needs cleaning up.
Think there should be serious regulation on its use
Confetti that is..
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Pre Ka
Posted: 06 February 2023 10:50:18(UTC)

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a lot of very smart people get hoodwinked, I do not think that RCP are saying they are really smart just that they have processes in place that do not allow them to get hoodwinked.
Robert D
Posted: 06 February 2023 12:23:58(UTC)

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Down another 2.5% today, latest NAV update due tomorrow I believe
Mr GL
Posted: 07 February 2023 07:04:38(UTC)

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RNS Number : 0825P
RIT Capital Partners PLC
07 February 2023

RIT CAPITAL PARTNERS PLC (LEI: P31Q1NLTW35JJGHA4667)

7 February 2023


December 2022 Preliminary Unaudited Net Asset Value

The preliminary, unaudited, diluted net asset value of RIT Capital Partners plc (the Company) as at 31 December 2022 (with debt at fair value) was 2,388p per £1 ordinary share (30 November 2022: 2,454p).

This represented a decline of -2.7% for the month of December, outperforming the MSCI ACWI (50% £) which fell -5.0% in the month. The outperformance was driven by our quoted equity book, and positive contributions from both our absolute return & credit book as well as real assets. The NAV reflected the six-monthly revaluation of our direct private investments to 31 December 2022, and, as normal, the 30 September valuations from external managers for ~94% of our private funds (with around 6% at 31 December).

2022 Preliminary Unaudited Performance

Last year was one of the most challenging years for financial markets for more than a decade, with a multitude of issues causing almost all asset classes to decline during the year. The S&P 500, the NASDAQ and the FTSE 250 closed down -18%, -32% and -17% respectively. Government bonds provided no safe harbour, with long-term US and UK bonds losing -29% and -40% respectively. Our NAV was not immune from these pressures, with a preliminary, unaudited NAV per share total return (including dividends) of -13.3% compared to the ACWI of -12.9%. With inflation at multi-year highs, our inflation measure of CPI+3.0%, was 13.5% for the year.
Key factors impacting our return for the year were:

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Retaining one of our lowest quoted equity exposures in a decade, coupled with action we took within the quoted equity portfolio, helped limit the downside. Nevertheless, this book saw a negative contribution of around -6.7%;

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Private investments detracted by -6.2% of NAV, split broadly equally across the directs and funds, giving back a portion of the ~+34% NAV contribution across 2020 and 2021;

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Our absolute return and credit book held up reasonably well, albeit with some mixed performance from our macro managers;

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Through our currency positioning, we ensured that much of our exposure was held outside the weakening sterling, resulting in a positive contribution for the year.

While any short-term decline in NAV is uncomfortable, our aims and objectives are long term. Over the last three years our NAV returned a preliminary ~25% against the ACWI at 17.7%. Similarly, our 5-year performance of around 41% compares favourably to the ACWI at 35.5%, and over 10-years our NAV (including dividends) has grown by approximately 140%.

As normal at this stage of our year end, the preliminary NAV is an estimate and remains subject to adjustment and audit. Full details will be included in the 2022 Annual Report & Accounts, which is expected to be published at the end of February.

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