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dlp6666
Posted: 17 February 2023 11:39:45(UTC)
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Mr GL;258016 wrote:


I hold the following - all of which mentioned in this article

10.6% Capital Gearing CGT
5.7% Personal Assets PNL
6.0% Ruffer RICA
19.8% RIT Capital RCP
5.1% Caledonia CLDN
....



Thanks, again, for your more reassuring perspective on RCP (which over recent years I've been adding to my SIPP, though now doubting a bit the wisdom of that).

Does today's c.2% share price fall prompt you to increase your already high stakes in RCP, or do you feel the discount probably isn't yet sufficiently high as to properly reflect the 'uncertain' PE position?
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 17 February 2023 11:46:01(UTC)
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RIT currently appears to be something of a meme stock.
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smg8
Posted: 17 February 2023 11:55:29(UTC)
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I've seen nothing that has changed my mind on this one.

Risk reward trade off for an investor (not trader) has been woeful from this in the last 3/5 years. 4%+ fees to lose you money over 3 years.

Far more volatile than 100% equities, yet far worse returns....

Appreciate it has a legion of fans on here, but I just don't see what other people are seeing (and that's fine, I am sure others feel the same about my holdings).

I also fully accept 3 years is a short timeframe, but it's surely these exact type of volatile markets in which vehicles like this are meant to excel.
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dlp6666
Posted: 17 February 2023 12:01:49(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;258028 wrote:
RIT currently appears to be something of a meme stock.


Yes, but I wouldn't have thought someone with experience like Max King / Moneyweek etc. - unlike many fickle investors - would fail to have a good grasp of a company's fundamentals.
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 17 February 2023 12:05:24(UTC)
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smg8;258030 wrote:
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I also fully accept 3 years is a short timeframe, but it's surely these exact type of volatile markets in which vehicles like this are meant to excel.



What type of vehicle do you regard it as? I doubt the family care much about short term volatility. Investments made are done so with a long term view and a key focus on underlying fundamentals. Than churning the portfolio in reaction to daily events.
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 17 February 2023 12:10:57(UTC)
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dlp6666;258032 wrote:
Thrugelmir;258028 wrote:
RIT currently appears to be something of a meme stock.


Yes, but I wouldn't have thought someone with experience like Max King / Moneyweek etc. - unlike many fickle investors - would fail to have a good grasp of a company's fundamentals.


Seems to understand RIT's portfolio well enough.
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Mr GL
Posted: 17 February 2023 12:15:05(UTC)
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dlp6666;258025 wrote:
Mr GL;258016 wrote:


I hold the following - all of which mentioned in this article

10.6% Capital Gearing CGT
5.7% Personal Assets PNL
6.0% Ruffer RICA
19.8% RIT Capital RCP
5.1% Caledonia CLDN
....



Thanks, again, for your more reassuring perspective on RCP (which over recent years I've been adding to my SIPP, though now doubting a bit the wisdom of that).

Does today's c.2% share price fall prompt you to increase your already high stakes in RCP, or do you feel the discount probably isn't yet sufficiently high as to properly reflect the 'uncertain' PE position?




I think you need to be very careful following a stranger on the internet...
Also my financial situation is my own to worry about...
I was up 15% last year... this gives me a lot of room to be wrong and still be well up on my performance targets
I have self imposed 20% position limit - I wont break this
A lot of seasoned and sensible heads on this site think I am bonkers for having 20% in RIT - they may be right
I am holding this lumpy position in a vacuum - I was expecting their Jan month end NAV to come out the last few days... I have all weekend to wind myself up as to why its not out yet
I am not going to advise you on what I plan to do in order to influence what you do... I will keep reporting what I have done
RIT is becoming an obsession for me - and this is a bad situation for an investor / trader to get into... just look how sensitive I am every time LP repeats his concern a bout PE / RIT - I am maybe dismissing opposing viewpoints too easily
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smg8
Posted: 17 February 2023 12:32:51(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;258034 wrote:
smg8;258030 wrote:
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I also fully accept 3 years is a short timeframe, but it's surely these exact type of volatile markets in which vehicles like this are meant to excel.



What type of vehicle do you regard it as?


When things didn't keep up with the index in the bull run, a common rebuttal was "aha but wait until the index tanks, it's been led higher by x stocks/x US exposure etc". If those same investments then tank on the way down, it begs the question what is the point of them.

Thrugelmir;258034 wrote:
I doubt the family care much about short term volatility.


This comes back to my previous point, it gets cut a lot of slack because of "the family". Slap a Janus Henderson or Invesco badge on this IT and it would be perceived completely differently.
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smg8
Posted: 17 February 2023 12:36:16(UTC)
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Mr GL;258038 wrote:


A lot of seasoned and sensible heads on this site think I am bonkers for having 20% in RIT - they may be right


I am not seasoned or sensible, and nor do I think anyone is bonkers for thinking what they think/holding what they hold so I don't think I am the intended recipient of this comment.

However I do think it's a massive gamble to have 20% of a portfolio of your size in one holding. We know you have significant AUM and are in a position many would love to be in with respect to this.

So the idea of "gambling" 20% of it on the hope that the whole market is wrong and you are right seems to be a very high risk thing to do when you clearly don't "need" to.

I hope your bet comes off and the outcome is what you hope, but from your posts it comes across to an outsider as if it's more about you needing to prove you are right on this one rather than actually needing to take on such a high risk concentrated position for any other reason.
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 17 February 2023 12:55:59(UTC)
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smg8;258040 wrote:

This comes back to my previous point, it gets cut a lot of slack because of "the family". Slap a Janus Henderson or Invesco badge on this IT and it would be perceived completely differently.


It is what is is. Debating this issue is pointless. Just needless noise. Plenty of alternative investment opportunities out there. That are far more worthy of one's time.
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