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Neminem Laedit
Posted: 29 October 2024 02:28:05(UTC)
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Confession: I'm 3/4rs IRISH

I was born in England [Liverpool]

Both my parents were born in England [Liverpool]

All four of my grandparents were born in England [Liverpool(3), Tottenham(1)]

However...
Four of my eight great-grand-parents were born in Ireland: Louth (Eire), Belfast, Wexford(2), Liverpool(2), North Yorkshire, Essex

AND

Twelve of my sixteen great-great-grand-parents were born in Ireland: Louth(2), Belfast(2), Wexford(6), Mayo(2), North Yorkshire(2), Essex(2)

Thus, the 3/4rs IRISH will, as far as I know, continue back in time immemorial...

The 1/4 "English", as far as I can see, was diluted 200+ years ago by 1/32nd Welsh... [a Lloyd & a Jones]

So... 3/4ths IRISH
7/32nd ENGLISH
1/32nd WELSH

No Scots, sorry... (^_-)
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Laurence O'Brien
Posted: 29 October 2024 09:12:36(UTC)
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Neminem Laedit;323665 wrote:
Sara G;323582 wrote:
Best cover...? This gets my vote (if it counts as a cover when it's a traditional song with no obvious original version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WDSY8Kaf6o

Phil Lynott was so talented (and gorgeous!), and gone far too soon. I remember persuading my parents to queue up for tickets to see Thin Lizzy live while I was at school - happy days.


"Whiskey in the Jar" is a very, very old song, but I believe the Dubliners were the first to record it, in 1968.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L__TrWhq4Uk

Many other greats from The Dubliners...

"The Spanish Lady"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdGJbsro3tI
[the reference to Napper Tandy's house is to the 18th Century Irish Revolutionary. Contrary to imagination, most of the early Irish Revolutionaries/Separatists/"terrorists" were Anglo-Irish Protestants and Nonconformists...]

"Dublin in the Rare Old Times"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTYkbyL4Yxk

"The Town I Loved So Well"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hybUj9vCdHs

R.I.P. Luke Kelly, 1940-84


I saw the Dubliners a number of times back in the 70s. The Irish folk tradition was always very strong and the Dubliners gave it increased popularity. You could go into just about any bar in Ireland on a weekend and there would be people turning up with instruments and playing impromptu sessions of folk tunes which the drinkers would join in heartily. There was a bit of a dark side too as you often got Republican supporters coming round collecting for the 'boys up north'. You got the feeling that contributions were not optional.

I was in Ballybunion in Kerry around that time and saw a poster advertising a guy called Pecker Dunne appearing in a local bar that night. I recalled that the Dubliners had name checked him on a live album and went along to see him. A scruffy guy with a straggly beard, his trousers held up by a piece of rope, a few missing teeth and an ancient banjo came on stage and sang in a wonderful baritone voice. He was a well known tinker and storyteller - one of the very last - and the Belfast Telegraph gave him an obituary when he passed.
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Robin B on 29/10/2024(UTC)
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Posted: 29 October 2024 09:50:51(UTC)
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Neminem Laedit;323672 wrote:
Confession: I'm 3/4rs IRISH

I was born in England [Liverpool]

Both my parents were born in England [Liverpool]

All four of my grandparents were born in England [Liverpool(3), Tottenham(1)]

However...
Four of my eight great-grand-parents were born in Ireland: Louth (Eire), Belfast, Wexford(2), Liverpool(2), North Yorkshire, Essex

...

So... 3/4ths IRISH
7/32nd ENGLISH
1/32nd WELSH

No Scots, sorry... (^_-)


Very similar to my family history. Some elements from Yorkshire and the South East way back, lots of Irish, and various exotic places in the empire where children were born to naval officers - all ended up in Liverpool where the past few generations are all from. There will be all kinds I don't know about as I've only traced a few limited lines in the family history a certain distance. It'd be great to meet for a pint some time! Shame this forum doesn't have a private messaging facility.
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Robin B
Posted: 29 October 2024 09:51:55(UTC)
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Laurence O'Brien;323694 wrote:


I saw the Dubliners a number of times back in the 70s. The Irish folk tradition was always very strong and the Dubliners gave it increased popularity. You could go into just about any bar in Ireland on a weekend and there would be people turning up with instruments and playing impromptu sessions of folk tunes which the drinkers would join in heartily. There was a bit of a dark side too as you often got Republican supporters coming round collecting for the 'boys up north'. You got the feeling that contributions were not optional.

I was in Ballybunion in Kerry around that time and saw a poster advertising a guy called Pecker Dunne appearing in a local bar that night. I recalled that the Dubliners had name checked him on a live album and went along to see him. A scruffy guy with a straggly beard, his trousers held up by a piece of rope, a few missing teeth and an ancient banjo came on stage and sang in a wonderful baritone voice. He was a well known tinker and storyteller - one of the very last - and the Belfast Telegraph gave him an obituary when he passed.


This is a nice little story, thanks for sharing :)
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Neminem Laedit
Posted: 29 October 2024 22:36:42(UTC)
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In 2001, while working in Dublin, I went to a Republican Pub with my Irish girlfriend.

While in the "Jacks", I struck up a conversation with a guy (as you do).

Friendly-enough, but he wanted to know who I was, etc.

When we'd finished, and stepped off the stone, I told him I was 3/4trs Irish. [notionally, at any rate]

He incredibly pulled out a cassette-tape from his pocket and handed it to me, with "Take that. You'll enjoy it...!"

If wars could be won by singing, the Brits would have had no chance...

"Joe McDonnell" by "The Wolfe Tones"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FfO1z_ttys

"Go on home, British Soldiers", performed by Eire Og
https://www.youtube.com/...sktop&v=JmSnR1vXhWk

"The Armagh Sniper", performed by Athenrye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjcJCRlCJJo


And yeah, I know some people will find them [cough] "offensive".

But they are interesting cultural documents, nevertheless, of, please God, a conflict which is now ended...
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Laurence O'Brien
Posted: 29 October 2024 23:34:07(UTC)
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My brother worked in Belfast for a few years and was sometimes asked if he was Catholic or Protestant to which he replied that he was an atheist. He was then asked if he was a Protestant or Catholic atheist.

Apologies for going off topic.
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Neminem Laedit on 29/10/2024(UTC)
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 30 October 2024 00:07:10(UTC)
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It was never about religion, from the Republican/Nationalist side.

Among their greatest heroes were Protestants and Nonconformists...

Henry Grattan
Napper Tandy
Thomas Russell
Lord Edward Fitzgerald
Wolfe Tone
Robert Emmett
Isaac Butt
Charles Stewart Parnell
Sir Roger Casement
Erskine Childers (IRA)
Constance Markievicz (nee Gore-Booth, the first elected woman MP, Sinn Fein, 1918)
Robert Barton (IRA, first Irish government, 1922)
Ernest Blythe (IRA, first Irish government, 1922)
Douglas Hyde (the first President of Ireland)
Seán Mac Stíofáin, born John Edward Drayton Stephenson in England to an English Protestant father and a mother of Ulster Protestant and Unionist. [Leader of the IRA in the 1970s]

and countless more.

From memory, a slight majority of the Irish delegation (IRA) who came to Downing Street in 1921 to negotiate with Lloyd-George and Churchill for independence were non-Catholics...

A pretty good 1991 drama from RTE/Thames "The Treaty", the strongest holdouts were Barton and Childers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUfr0FgZz_8
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SF100
Posted: 30 October 2024 22:50:24(UTC)
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Mulligan and O'hare

Rose

The musical goodies start at 01:55

https://youtu.be/l2skVCP6QVM?feature=shared
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Sara G
Posted: 31 October 2024 00:20:27(UTC)
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I find this very soothing, and musically complex (in a good way):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idcaRTg4-fM

Another sad story of a genius gone too soon. There was a Nick Drake Prom over the summer, which attests to his enduring impact.
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Neminem Laedit on 31/10/2024(UTC), SF100 on 31/10/2024(UTC)
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 31 October 2024 01:41:41(UTC)
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"Romance" from "The Gadfly", by Shostakovich

Played by Nicola Benedetti...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHxFBnCU-ZU
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