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Posted: 07 January 2025 21:49:54(UTC)
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ben ski;330350 wrote:
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L&G Global 100 - OEIC


I do think there's a lot of recency bias in that choice, and this has to be a decision you can stick with.

We've got a century in which small-cap value, equal weight, etc. far outpaced large-caps. We've only got a few years of this current trend – and the higher it goes, the more opportunity there should be anywhere else.



Do you have a "simple" small-cap fund that shows this ?


https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-asset-class-allocation?s=y&sl=6BuaELL5JCljT46oZsj57r

Thats all good and "theoretically" correct but can you show me a simple fund which someone can invest in and potentially leave alone

I looked at - the following which people could have invested in

Fund Inception Return since inception

L&G Global 100. 2002 357%
Vanguard Global Small Cap 2009 356%
iShares Global 100 2000 343%

So whilst this is within 25 years and thus your point correct, it forgets the fact that despite suffering 2 of the catastrophic downturns (Tech and GFC) large caps pulled back whilst small caps started at the favorable position just after the GFC.

The major small cap fund around 2000 was the old F&C Global smaller companies which lags behind somewhat

Interesting your analysis was with US equities only.
The visualizer with your dates also shows that
Gold was better than the US stock market as a whole with a smoother ride.
REIT's even better
That is the same saying that a UK property was even better - especially as I bagged a 4x in October after investing in 2009

Realism has to play a part somewhere
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Posted: 07 January 2025 22:09:00(UTC)
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What I’ve done for my son’s JISA is:

50% Global All Cap
25% Tech via SMT and HGT
25% Infra via 3IN and UKW

When I set it up, the discount opps were too good to pass up (HGT on a wide discount). With our next, I’d be tempted just to go 100% global all cap, but I think the nature of investing for a decade+ means you can exploit some of these opportunities to own fantastic assets at deep discounts. I would just make sure it’s a position you’d be comfortable holding rather than a bandwagon trade.
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Posted: 07 January 2025 22:09:06(UTC)
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My daughter’s JISA is 10% in a FTSE All Share Index and 90% in L&G international index. So not much different to a straight global tracker. The almost non existent cost of holding those two on HL influenced the specific fund choices.

Not much point in doing anything else, who knows who the winners will be over the next 2+ decades. Yesterday’s winners have neither fundamentals nor momentum in their favour, and using actives would require active management on the part of the one managing the account also. And I wouldn’t want to risk getting it wrong on someone else’s behalf.

So if using ETFs I would probably just stick it all in something like VWRP or SSAC.

There is no hard long term evidence to support trying to do anything more adventurous.
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ben ski
Posted: 07 January 2025 22:23:24(UTC)
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Newbie;330352 wrote:
ben ski;330350 wrote:
Newbie;330348 wrote:
ben ski;330343 wrote:
Newbie;330342 wrote:
L&G Global 100 - OEIC


I do think there's a lot of recency bias in that choice, and this has to be a decision you can stick with.

We've got a century in which small-cap value, equal weight, etc. far outpaced large-caps. We've only got a few years of this current trend – and the higher it goes, the more opportunity there should be anywhere else.



Do you have a "simple" small-cap fund that shows this ?


https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-asset-class-allocation?s=y&sl=6BuaELL5JCljT46oZsj57r

Thats all good and "theoretically" correct but can you show me a simple fund which someone can invest in and potentially leave alone

I looked at - the following which people could have invested in

Fund Inception Return since inception

L&G Global 100. 2002 357%
Vanguard Global Small Cap 2009 356%
iShares Global 100 2000 343%

So whilst this is within 25 years and thus your point correct, it forgets the fact that despite suffering 2 of the catastrophic downturns (Tech and GFC) large caps pulled back whilst small caps started at the favorable position just after the GFC.

The major small cap fund around 2000 was the old F&C Global smaller companies which lags behind somewhat

Interesting your analysis was with US equities only.
The visualizer with your dates also shows that
Gold was better than the US stock market as a whole with a smoother ride.
REIT's even better
That is the same saying that a UK property was even better - especially as I bagged a 4x in October after investing in 2009

Realism has to play a part somewhere


The US has several Small-Cap Value ETFs – I'm not sure whether we do...

But this is my point: just looking at what's done best over 10, 20, 30 years, etc. doesn't tell you anything. Even over 100 years, it may only reflect a specific sequence of macroeconomic conditions that are no more likely to repeat than not repeat.

The market's job is to price everything on the same line of risk and return. So if the US outperforms for 20 years, or small-caps underperform, the market will keep revising how it's valuing these things, and strategies will evolve that arbitrage things that seem like anomalies. So the safety of passive investing is that you hold everything in an appropriate balance, because only then can you guarantee getting your fair share of the market return (anything else – e.g. overweighting US large-caps – is just as vulnerable to underperforming as outperforming, over any era).
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Keith Cobby
Posted: 07 January 2025 23:10:37(UTC)
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It's impossible to predict the future so you do the best you can, the important thing is to do something. I bought FCIT for my son's CTF when he was a few days old and have continued buying for the past 17 years, it's done well. His next two largest holdings are CTPE and SMT.
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Posted: 08 January 2025 00:54:12(UTC)
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Keith Cobby;330361 wrote:
It's impossible to predict the future so you do the best you can, the important thing is to do something. I bought FCIT for my son's CTF when he was a few days old and have continued buying for the past 17 years, it's done well. His next two largest holdings are CTPE and SMT.


FCIT's only on about half the return of the S&P since then. If that's the largest holding, he's almost certainly underperforming.

It's natural. You'd have selected FCIT for its past performance, but that past performance usually condemns a fund to poorer future performance, as popular funds get very large, and then their investment universe shrinks, and everything gets slower and more expensive to do, and simply keeping up with an index becomes an achievement.

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Posted: 08 January 2025 04:38:50(UTC)
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A global accumulation ETF (no OEICs) would be my first choice. Whether that be all-world or developed world - In other words; VWRP or VHVG.

Personally, I would go for VHVG (developed world) as the fees are much lower. Then leave it alone.

I'd also be thinking about platform fees, flat fee for ETFs or ETFs for free and also where the platform fee payment is going to come from, if required.

with 12+ straight years ahead bonds for a 5 year old sounds crazy to me. If plans for future schooling then a few years prior it could be reviewed to de-risk what is required.

Lucky kids.
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Posted: 08 January 2025 07:13:49(UTC)
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Keith Clunk;330367 wrote:
A global accumulation ETF (no OEICs) would be my first choice. Whether that be all-world or developed world - In other words; VWRP or VHVG.

Personally, I would go for VHVG (developed world) as the fees are much lower. Then leave it alone.

I'd also be thinking about platform fees, flat fee for ETFs or ETFs for free and also where the platform fee payment is going to come from, if required.

with 12+ straight years ahead bonds for a 5 year old sounds crazy to me. If plans for future schooling then a few years prior it could be reviewed to de-risk what is required.

Lucky kids.


VHVG cost is 0.12%, but you can now get an MSCI All Country World Index tracking ETF, ACWI, for 0.12%. Seems odd to omit emerging markets over ~18 years especially when you can get them for the same cost.

100% in ACWI on Fidelity or HL and the service fee is also £0.
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Keith Cobby
Posted: 08 January 2025 07:57:55(UTC)
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ben ski;330364 wrote:
Keith Cobby;330361 wrote:
It's impossible to predict the future so you do the best you can, the important thing is to do something. I bought FCIT for my son's CTF when he was a few days old and have continued buying for the past 17 years, it's done well. His next two largest holdings are CTPE and SMT.


FCIT's only on about half the return of the S&P since then. If that's the largest holding, he's almost certainly underperforming.

It's natural. You'd have selected FCIT for its past performance, but that past performance usually condemns a fund to poorer future performance, as popular funds get very large, and then their investment universe shrinks, and everything gets slower and more expensive to do, and simply keeping up with an index becomes an achievement.



It would have been helpful if you had told me in 2007 that the S & P was the place to be for the next 17+ years. Also, I can't recall your own funds being S & P heavy.

My son has a six figure portfolio when the average CTF is about £2,000, and I know that some of his friends' parents haven't added anything, these children have about £500 to look forward to. But there you go, one does one's best and he isn't complaining.
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