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Trump and fossil fuels v Green investment in infra etc.
Robin B
Posted: 21 January 2025 16:51:31(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;331806 wrote:

Err... because I took the trouble to actually do a bit of reading first.... You should try it.


So you've read material which confirms that licences are not linked to any public spending, including through separate legislation that might give eligibility to apply for subsidies? Link please...

The so called Inflation Reduction Act provides for $370Bn towards renewable energy. To save wasting this public money as quickly as possible, the most expedient route would seem to be restricting the licences. Perhaps privately funded projects, if they ever exist, can be treated as an exception. It seems like a sensible way to prevent public money being wasted on nonsense, which the Inflation Causing Act, to mention just one statute, does on a massive scale.
Robin B
Posted: 21 January 2025 17:13:17(UTC)
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There will undoubtedly be lawsuits that attempt to stifle the proposed changes. The papers are probably already lodged.

To keep the gravy train running for all those greedy pigs at the trough, who are [cough]... 'saving the planet'...

The NPCs and champagne socialists could be heard in the pig sty, chuntering away their revolting chorus...

"Grunt, oink, splurp, belch, orange man bad, grunt, parp, slurp"

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glenn hicks on 21/01/2025(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 21 January 2025 18:27:24(UTC)
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Another brain dead Trump proclamation is to rename the 'Gulf of Mexico' as the 'Gulf of America'.

It might seem a bit of foolish hubris, but it seems the consequences are far reaching, involving a huge number of changes to Federal documents, contracts, maps, web sites, rules and even some legislation.

Thousands of hours of work for absolutely no return whatsoever.

What an utter waste of human resources to massage an ego.

Not exactly a good start to the 'government efficiency and waste' campaign.

Idiotic. But I'm sure Robin can tell us how this is actually a positive thing and a great idea...
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Keith Cobby
Posted: 21 January 2025 18:51:15(UTC)
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Trump has hit the ground running with his executive orders. No doubt some of them will be challenged but he has a huge mandate for significant change. He set the tone yesterday for common sense leadership, restoring border control, confirming there are only two genders, withdrawal from WHO. He is a man in a hurry and knows he only has 4 years to get his programme through. Not bad for a 78yo.
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Robin B
Posted: 21 January 2025 22:00:16(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;331816 wrote:

Another brain dead Trump proclamation is to rename the 'Gulf of Mexico' as the 'Gulf of America'.

It might seem a bit of foolish hubris, but it seems the consequences are far reaching, involving a huge number of changes to Federal documents, contracts, maps, web sites, rules and even some legislation.

Idiotic. But I'm sure Robin can tell us how this is actually a positive thing and a great idea...



Rich and powerful countries, that are self confident and optimistic, can indulge themselves in these ways. There's no need to be jealous. This country used to be the same way, before it became a self loathing, third world, socialist crap hole full of losers.

Great Britain didn't actually profit in the financial sense from having an empire. There was a net cost to running it. But our forebears did it anyway because they felt like being bold and projecting themselves and their ideas across the globe. They felt entitled to do that because they were the best, and knew it.

You are so unfamiliar with a confident and winning mindset that you find it truly puzzling when you encounter it. You've spent your life immersed in a culture that celebrates decline and being meek. Better to be a beautiful loser apparently... although this country fails at that as well.

The elites here are just unbelievably sad people who are desperate to fit in and be liked by others. They revel in being the best at things that are stupid and irrelevant. There are lots of people who one encounters in life who are like this. Always showing off, virtue signalling and wanting to be seen doing the latest thing, no matter how retarded it happens to be.

Net zero? "Oh yeah! We can do that. Look, see! We are going further than anybody else!" BLM? "We care so much about that! Look, we are taking the knee! Look at our TV adverts and period dramas! Look at the randomers in our government!" Ukraine: "Yes, we agree, very important! We are on board, you can all count on us! We commit billions for the next century!" Open borders? "Guys! It's us again! Bet you we'll be the best at this and we're really going to make them all feel so welcome! The more the better!!" Empire? "That's so wrong! We believe it is better to give territory away and pay billions to the recipients!"

And on and on. Maxing out the credit cards to impress friends, neighbours and foes alike with all this whizz bang bullshit whilst the house falls to bits around the hard pressed family... and really not impressing anybody at all. They all look on at the growing cringe fest and, ominously, seem to have different ideas about how to do things.

You are led by inane, talentless and embarrassing donkeys who hate you and your country. Like Sir Kneel Bureaucrat and the economic talent that is Rachel from Complaints. Our Ange, some thief from Bangladesh, David Lammy...

If it makes you feel better to judge the yanks then suit yourself. Winners don't care about what losers think or do, so I doubt they'll care to be honest.

Btw, have you found that link yet?
andy mac
Posted: 21 January 2025 22:33:27(UTC)
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can I have some of what you are on
Does Nigel know you are out after school
Keyboard warrior I bet you would not say boo to anyone in real life
Get out more haha

Try using CAPS then we can see when you are shouting
Thrugelmir
Posted: 22 January 2025 00:06:52(UTC)
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Nothing to do with investing. Take this meaningless discussion back to Facebook or another more suitable social media platform.
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ben ski
Posted: 22 January 2025 00:40:38(UTC)
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The key with Trump is you shouldn't be thinking about green energy investments on a four year basis in the first place. If retail pulls more money from renewables, you're being blessed with something we didn't have for 15 years post the GFC: actual opportunities.

We're at a number of positive tipping points for decarbonisation, where it actually becomes viable. That was the only thing that was ever going to curb emissions.

Green policies didn't achieve that. That's why we've been worried – we know none of our initiatives were even slowing things down. Market forces and technology have been working quietly in the background, and now we can be optimistic. But the next century is probably going to be defined by huge social upheaval from extreme weather events. Quite a bit of latency in the system.

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Phil 2 on 24/01/2025(UTC)
Robin B
Posted: 22 January 2025 08:49:04(UTC)
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ben ski;331840 wrote:
The key with Trump is you shouldn't be thinking about green energy investments on a four year basis in the first place. If retail pulls more money from renewables, you're being blessed with something we didn't have for 15 years post the GFC: actual opportunities.

We're at a number of positive tipping points for decarbonisation, where it actually becomes viable. That was the only thing that was ever going to curb emissions.

Green policies didn't achieve that. That's why we've been worried – we know none of our initiatives were even slowing things down. Market forces and technology have been working quietly in the background, and now we can be optimistic. But the next century is probably going to be defined by huge social upheaval from extreme weather events. Quite a bit of latency in the system.



A lot of this sounds ominously similar to religious fundamentalism.
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 22 January 2025 09:17:32(UTC)
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ben ski;331840 wrote:

We're at a number of positive tipping points for decarbonisation, where it actually becomes viable.


What on earth does that mean...

Like what exactly...? What 'tipping points' ?
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Robin B on 22/01/2025(UTC)
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