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The KidKad
Posted: 12 February 2025 15:44:48(UTC)
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Robin B;334104 wrote:
So he has played the race card, even though none of us know him or what his ethnic background is.

He has played the victim card.

Seems to be paranoid and casts aspersions on others, miscontruing what they've actually written.

Only sees things from his own point of view.

Writes off English/British identity and history as 'silly', because it suits him. Self centered and totally disrespectful. Obviously feels emboldened to hold such insulting views thanks to years of propaganda from our appalling, post 1997 political establishment.

Yet, others have a right to self determination in their ancestral lands - doesn't see the staggering irony in this considering his other comments. Inconsistent. Not very logical.

Always has an excuse for those countries or peoples he feels some form of kinship with. Won't tolerate criticism of them, but also maintains the claim that he is at the same time not interested (when the points made are inconvenient). More inconsistency.

I'm noticing similar thinking patterns and rhetoric to the likes of 'Baroness' Warsi, who he previously held up as a voice of wisdom, Humsa Yusef, Naz Shah and Sadiq Khan. Perhaps he has been unduly influenced by these unpleasant and divisive politicians?


Writes off English/British identity and history as 'silly', because it suits him

No I wrote off a factually incorrect statement. How is it disrespectful or insulting to point out historical facts?

Yet, others have a right to self determination in their ancestral lands doesn't see the staggering irony in this considering his other comments.

The right not to be ethnically cleansed....aaah you believe in the Great Replacement nonsense. There it is.
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stephen_s
Posted: 12 February 2025 16:55:27(UTC)
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The KidKad;333321 wrote:
As a born Brit and Muslim.........We are your friends, neighbours, work colleagues and in many cases every bit as British as you.


You may have a British passport but we are in England. I am English (*ethnicity*), and we don’t believe in Islam so fought wars against it, it is not our culture. Hence "Church of England" not Mosque of England.

We (ethnic English) also built the country and its infrastructure over centuries, fought two World Wars to preserve (we were told) our culture, way of life and identity. In every corner of this land stand monuments testament to Englishmen and the sacrifices they made. The names on these monuments (rather than those dished out on paper passports and birth certificates nowadays) are as English as you can get.

We have been here for thousands of years, luckily most of the invaders went home.

Ancient invaders transformed Britain, but not its DNA - NewScientist

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THEY came, they saw, they conquered. But while the Romans, Vikings and Normans ruled Britain for many years, none left their genetic calling cards behind in the DNA of today’s mainland Caucasian population. That’s the message from the most comprehensive analysis yet of the genetic make-up of the white British population.
.........Given the cultural significance of the Roman, Viking and Norman invasions, it’s surprising they didn’t leave greater genetic legacy. For the Romans and Normans, that may be because they were ruling elites who didn’t intermarry with the natives.
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The KidKad
Posted: 12 February 2025 17:22:33(UTC)
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stephen_s;334121 wrote:
The KidKad;333321 wrote:
As a born Brit and Muslim.........We are your friends, neighbours, work colleagues and in many cases every bit as British as you.


You may have a British passport but we are in England. I am English (*ethnicity*), and we don’t believe in Islam so fought wars against it, it is not our culture. Hence "Church of England" not Mosque of England.

We (ethnic English) also built the country and its infrastructure over centuries, fought two World Wars to preserve (we were told) our culture, way of life and identity. In every corner of this land stand monuments testament to Englishmen and the sacrifices they made. The names on these monuments (rather than those dished out on paper passports and birth certificates nowadays) are as English as you can get.

We have been here for thousands of years, luckily most of the invaders went home.

Ancient invaders transformed Britain, but not its DNA - NewScientist

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THEY came, they saw, they conquered. But while the Romans, Vikings and Normans ruled Britain for many years, none left their genetic calling cards behind in the DNA of today’s mainland Caucasian population. That’s the message from the most comprehensive analysis yet of the genetic make-up of the white British population.
.........Given the cultural significance of the Roman, Viking and Norman invasions, it’s surprising they didn’t leave greater genetic legacy. For the Romans and Normans, that may be because they were ruling elites who didn’t intermarry with the natives.


I suppose you think only Caucasians fought for this country in those wars? The London Central Mosque at Regents Park literally stands as a gesture of gratitude to Indian Muslims who fought and sacrificed lives for the Empire in WW1. How's that for a monument. That's not to mention the various monuments to the commitment and sacrifices of Nepalese Gurkhas or Sikh soldiers.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/m...als/item/memorial/63161

https://www.iwm.org.uk/m...als/item/memorial/87341


I do get the concern about societal change, honestly I do. The numbers of inflows do not look sustainable and that does need to be addressed in a sensible manner which doesn't limit the growth and productivity of the country. But there are well established communities already here now so let's figure out how we all get along.
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andy mac
Posted: 12 February 2025 17:38:52(UTC)
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[quote=stephen_s;334121]

We (ethnic English) also built the country and its infrastructure over centuries, fought two World Wars to preserve (we were told) our culture, way of life and identity. In every corner of this land stand monuments testament to Englishmen and the sacrifices they made. The names on these monuments (rather than those dished out on paper passports and birth certificates nowadays) are as English as you can get.

Did the Irish Welsh and Scots have anything to do withe the United Kingdom

Just askin
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stephen_s
Posted: 12 February 2025 17:54:50(UTC)
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The KidKad;334125 wrote:
I suppose you think only Caucasians fought for this country in those wars? The London Central Mosque at Regents Park literally stands as a gesture of gratitude to Indian Muslim who fought and sacrificed lives for the Empire in WW1.


A tiny proportion of those involved and sacrifices made, as film and photo evidence testifies. And did not *volunteer* but were paid to fight, unlike the English fighting for their own country.

Why the Indian soldiers of WW1 were forgotten - BBC
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Yet they were destined to remain largely unknown once the war was over: neglected by the British, for whom they fought, and ignored by their own country, from which they came.

Part of the reason is that they were not fighting for their own country. None of the soldiers was a conscript - soldiering was their profession. They served the very British Empire that was oppressing their own people back home.


But they did get their (much larger) part of the British Empire back shortly after WW2 ended.

Though of course they (Islam) were ejected from most of India via partition. A big fail (and warning) for so called "multi-culturalism."
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Zach F
Posted: 12 February 2025 17:56:12(UTC)
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Laurence O'Brien;334034 wrote:
The KidKad;334007 wrote:
Laurence O'Brien;333673 wrote:
There is only one religious group that people fear in the UK and it isn’t Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs or Buddhists. Fear in the sense of a phobia, a word derived from the Greek φοβάμαι - to fear. It’s not hatred in the sense that some would have us believe but a genuine fear of a group of people who plant bombs or murder people in the streets or lay siege to the home of a teacher falsely accused of damaging a book. Why would any sane person not be afraid of people who carry out these atrocities?

Moderate Muslims really need to stand up and denounce those who are committing these acts whilst shouting Allahu Akbar but we don’t hear them and as I asked above, is it because they are afraid of them or do they tacitly support them?

The other big issue for me is the refusal of large sections of the Muslim population to integrate with the indigenous people of the country. They are the only religious group amongst those mentioned above who do not. Go to Bradford (the city of my birth and childhood) and you will see exactly what I mean. A city where I was threatened by a group of Pakistani youths for accidentally venturing into part of the city which they claimed to be theirs.


I will say it again - your framing is fundamentally prejudiced. I and other Muslims have no obligation to denounce crimes by other people who happen to be share elements of background/ heritage. You would not expect that of other communities.


I bloody well would. If crimes were being committed in the name of my god, I would most definitely denounce the perpetrators. The silence speaks volumes.



Oh do fuck off. You opened with some waffle about Islam being the only faith anyone’s scared of. You just going to ignore the Catholic Churches lauded history as nonces? The silence speaks volumes.


Honestly I’ve never met such a bunch of sad, scared little men in all my life ( thankfully cus most of you couldn’t survive a slap) . Kiddkad,I’m sure I don’t need to say this but these racist cretins do not represent the people of the UK, I really would save your time. No educating some people.
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stephen_s
Posted: 12 February 2025 18:04:19(UTC)
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Zach F;334133 wrote:
Honestly I’ve never met such a bunch of sad, scared little men in all my life ( thankfully cus most of you couldn’t survive a slap) . Kiddkad,I’m sure I don’t need to say this but these racist cretins do not represent the people of the UK, I really would save your time. No educating some people.


^^^^
Says 'woke' traitorous type.

I've no doubt what most WW1&2 servicemen would have thought of this cretin and his ideology.
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Johan De Silva
Posted: 12 February 2025 18:09:03(UTC)
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stephen_s;334136 wrote:
Zach F;334133 wrote:
Honestly I’ve never met such a bunch of sad, scared little men in all my life ( thankfully cus most of you couldn’t survive a slap) . Kiddkad,I’m sure I don’t need to say this but these racist cretins do not represent the people of the UK, I really would save your time. No educating some people.


^^^^
Says 'woke' traitorous type.

I've no doubt what most WW1&2 servicemen would have thought of this cretin and his ideology.

Wow, do you speak for those servicemen? I am not sure my great grandfather and his brothers would agree. I think you are using them to spread your ideology. That's not right.

Both you and Rainbow Robin appear to be grabbing at whatever news you can get to promote your own ideology. Yes Muslims need to do all they can but go and speak to their leaders, instead of use news like this to promote division here.
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stephen_s
Posted: 12 February 2025 18:14:17(UTC)
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andy mac;334129 wrote:
Did the Irish Welsh and Scots have anything to do withe the United Kingdom

Just askin


Irish no, and they were 'neutral' in WW2 so not involved. I am English so cannot speak for the Welsh and Scots. They can speak of themselves (have devolution now) and their contribution, obviously.

Just sayin.
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Robin B on 12/02/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 12 February 2025 18:18:19(UTC)
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Actual researched, accepted and documented facts, figures

One with commentary and discussions afterwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcWc7WqcS5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CW7S0zxv4
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