NPH;337196 wrote:About 3 week ago I started a thread on whether it was time to look beyond the global tracker, as Vanguard published research predicting lower returns from US large caps and given the US/large cap concentration risk even in global funds.
The response was that the research was 'toilet paper', that 100% risk on was the way to go, etc.
Now the US markets have fallen back to where they were about 6 months ago, and some people have liquidated their entire portfolios and are talking about a generational loss of wealth.
I'm starting to think this forum isn't the source of sober, helpful comment I was hoping for.
There are probably a few things to keep in mind here;
1. Vanguard's paper was about what things might look like over 10 years. Not 3 weeks. I'd probably give it a bit longer to see if they were right. As per the examples given in that thread, most of Vanguards past predictions have been inaccurate over the timescale they chose
2. There were some pretty sensible replies to that thread from other posters who looked at both sides of the coin, looking back it was a good thread. There were some suggested alternatives to "100% risk on".
3. There was 1 poster who said it was toilet paper. The same poster beings up faecal matters quite regularly, often describing things or people as sh*t.
4. My proper response to your question (beyond looking at Vanguard's past predictions for accuracy) stated that some regions will outperform a tracker but you'd need to know in advance which ones to buy. That appears to have come true YTD (but again who knows over 10 years). As an aside I dont have the skill to know this, but I do hold a multi asset fund who use passives and come up with their own global allocation as one of my risk reducers. They're in positive territory YTD due to their big underweight US. Kudos to them too, in their strategic asset allocation review end of last year they moved some of their US holding to equal weight.
5. I also said
smg8;335593 wrote:
If the market delivers 5%, some active funds will absolutely beat that figure guaranteed - but others will lag behind.
If you go on Trustnet and sort global funds by YTD there are 21 pages of results. On page 10, halfway through you get to a global tracker. So as per my comment, if you pick in advance an active which outperforms you're ahead. If you pick the wrong active you're behind. Same goes for this 10 week YTD period.
Personally I am surprised to see posters liquidating their portfolios, especially when just 2 weeks ago some of the same posters going to cash literally posted saying they welcomed a correction and that they were hoping the market goes lower to enable them to buy more.
It's curious seeing the panic when volatility hits, but I think we can learn valuable lessons from it around understanding our actual risk appetite rather than kidding ourselves.
100% invested in global equities to 100% cash and timing reentry seems miles away from a long term sustainable strategy, when there are a myriad of stopping points along the way between those 2 extremities.