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Keith Cobby
Posted: 14 February 2024 13:48:02(UTC)
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Anyone intending to vote for Labour shouldn't get their hopes up. The country's problems seem very intractable and nothing Starmer has said gives any expectation that he has any more idea than the Tories. As we have seen, Labour has trouble with militant Islam and this will not be an easy issue to deal with given that Starmer's wife is Jewish. I think we need a government of national unity but in the absence of such, will be voting Reform.
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Pre Ka
Posted: 14 February 2024 13:54:45(UTC)
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I thought a vote for reform is essentially a vote for labour. What is it that a new party like reform is offering that's getting everyone so excited?
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Keith Cobby
Posted: 14 February 2024 14:26:08(UTC)
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It's generally accepted that the Conservative Party has moved leftwards over the past 14 years and is no longer a home for centre right conservatives. The view is that a vote for Reform will split the Tory vote and our FPTP system will allow Labour to pick up extra seats. While this is undoubtedly true, many Conservatives no longer feel that there is enough difference between the three main parties and therefore care less about having a Conservative Party government. But who knows what will happen, the Labour Party supplanted the Liberals in the early 20th century and maybe it's time for a new right of centre party. There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for electoral reform (probably a good thing) as it would almost certainly allow less broadly based parties (ie Islamic) to fluorish.
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 14 February 2024 14:38:47(UTC)
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Pre Ka;296201 wrote:
I thought a vote for reform is essentially a vote for labour. What is it that a new party like reform is offering that's getting everyone so excited?



Net Zero Immigration and lower taxes...

Ending 'Green' charges on energy and generally ending Net Zero targets as impossible and unaffordable.

If I think the Tories are going to lose anyway (not sure yet), I'd consider a protest vote for them.
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Robert D
Posted: 14 February 2024 14:47:17(UTC)
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Blimey, there are some strange folk on here.

They want national unity but are voting Reform, a divisive party.

They see the present Conservative government as "left wing" when in fact it has deserted the centre ground and lurched more to the right in recent years

Mind you, from the current stance of the Tories anything is left wing

The present iteration of the Labour party under Starmer is to the right of Thatcher. What are they afraid of?




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Posted: 14 February 2024 15:03:03(UTC)
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Would Starmer et al. make things better though ?
Would higher taxes and even more public spending improve the economy - no .
Could they stop the boats - no .
Maybe those in the public sector will do a bit better with more generous pay deals .
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 14 February 2024 15:15:16(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;296213 wrote:


Ending 'Green' charges on energy and generally ending Net Zero targets as impossible and unaffordable.

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Doing nothing is not an option though. Only unaffordable in terms of priorities.
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Robert D
Posted: 14 February 2024 15:24:08(UTC)
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Dexi;296222 wrote:
Would Starmer et al. make things better though ?
Would higher taxes and even more public spending improve the economy - no .
Could they stop the boats - no .
Maybe those in the public sector will do a bit better with more generous pay deals .



Higher taxes or closing tax loopholes on the wealthy - yes. Sunak's tax returns last week showed he paid a 22.8% tax rate on earnings of £2.3 million. There are many thousands like him. How is that fair on ordinary middle income 40% tax payers?

Government spending on public services - yes. The economy will not thrive and grow without a properly functioning state.

The "boats" are irrelevant and is just a poitiical ploy to appease the Conservative right. Very few illegal migrants arrive by boat
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Posted: 14 February 2024 15:45:29(UTC)
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Keith Cobby;296199 wrote:
Anyone intending to vote for Labour shouldn't get their hopes up. The country's problems seem very intractable and nothing Starmer has said gives any expectation that he has any more idea than the Tories. As we have seen, Labour has trouble with militant Islam and this will not be an easy issue to deal with given that Starmer's wife is Jewish. I think we need a government of national unity but in the absence of such, will be voting Reform.


Don't be surprised if Starmer doesn't stay PM for long, there are whisperings in the party that the corbynistas are simply bidding their time and waiting for Starmer to win the election. Once in No.10 they'll challenge his leadership, oust him and put one of their own on the throne. Don't think it could happen, look at the Tories...
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Posted: 14 February 2024 16:50:36(UTC)
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Tyrion Lannister;296195 wrote:
TJL;296126 wrote:
It looks like the future is going to boil down to :-
Sunak v Starmer.
Biden v Trump.
It doesn't seem to be much of a choice in either case.
I have no idea how it will affect investments.


When you put it like that, my first though was God help us all.


That's just how I feel!
And I haven't a clue who to vote for.
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