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Globalization Lunacy?
anglo29
Posted: 22 August 2018 16:17:37(UTC)
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'd argue it suggests that thanks to globalisation, the costs of basic goods has fallen and quality of life has risen as people have more disposable income to spend on services and transport.{quote}


It's recently been revealed that a shockingly high proportion of the population is morbidly obese, even amongst children, obesity is a real problem. Much of this is the result of whole families paying too little attention to the quality of food they consume, and rather too much attention to the flat screen telly.

The expensive smartphones they spent hours hunched over only increases the detrimental effect on their well being.

"Quality of life risen"??…...I don't think so
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mark spurrier
Posted: 16 September 2018 12:17:46(UTC)
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@Anglo

The "British Fishing Industry" is interesting

The fishing power - which is effectively the effectiveness of a vessel is all industrial with the food processing companies as primary owners on the majority of UK fishing power. Thousands of inshore vessels contribute a very small percentage of UK Fishing power.

British registered vessels catch and then transfer their catch to non-Brit factory ships

The UK Gov isn't keen on subsidising/ support the British Fishing Industry as it is really subsiding the Russian Chinese and US hedgies like NOMAD who own Birdeye/Findus etc.

If we and the Eu restricted "fishing power" we would have a much stronger industry and better conserved fish stocks. When one vessel can locate fish electronically and then set nets by computer/satellite so as to take a whole shoal it doesn't leave a lot for local fishing fleets.

The price of fish will rise steeply but it is a scare resource

Aidan MacGinley
Posted: 16 September 2018 16:11:33(UTC)
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I live in the West Midlands and always try to buy British when I buy a car as I would prefer to keep a British worker in a job than a German or French one. My Birmingham made Jaguar is every bit as good as the equivalent German models from Audi BMW and Mercedes. No doubt there are Germans in Munich driving Jaguars who could be driving BMWs. Is this not an example of pointless trade. Everyone in Britain an Germany could buy a perfectly good car made locally rather than import one from another country.
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Posted: 16 September 2018 16:32:58(UTC)
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Aidan MacGinley;68703 wrote:
I live in the West Midlands and always try to buy British when I buy a car as I would prefer to keep a British worker in a job than a German or French one. My Birmingham made Jaguar is every bit as good as the equivalent German models from Audi BMW and Mercedes. No doubt there are Germans in Munich driving Jaguars who could be driving BMWs. Is this not an example of pointless trade. Everyone in Britain an Germany could buy a perfectly good car made locally rather than import one from another country.





How about best of both worlds Buy a mini and get an engine made in Munich and the car built? (assembled) in UK. I prefer BMWs but getting more difficult to get in and out so maybe need to go for a small SUV best ones are Peugeot 3008 or Volvo XC40 - the mini clubman or countryman do not do well on reliability. So I'll have to stick to foreign car as no better UK car available.
"Pointless trade" if I want a car and buy it why would it bepointless - I buy a dyson and they are made abroad I buy French Champagne, Italian olive oil, French cheese dutch flowers etc - gosh you'll be all for pulling up the drawbridge and stopping imports. We live in the internet global age the world has got smaller and we in UK must compete with global markets and global companies and we do that for manufacturing as well as services & investments or we'll all just get poorer as the years go bye.
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Samual Saunders on 16/09/2018(UTC)
anglo29
Posted: 16 September 2018 18:58:00(UTC)
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Aidan MacGinley;68703 wrote:
I live in the West Midlands and always try to buy British when I buy a car as I would prefer to keep a British worker in a job than a German or French one. My Birmingham made Jaguar is every bit as good as the equivalent German models from Audi BMW and Mercedes. No doubt there are Germans in Munich driving Jaguars who could be driving BMWs. Is this not an example of pointless trade. Everyone in Britain an Germany could buy a perfectly good car made locally rather than import one from another country.




You've highlighted what I've felt for some time.....basically we are all going to have to become more self-sufficient even if it means a more frugal lifestyle. Some realise this, the smart ones are turning to growing their own food, some villages have formed "food co-operatives"....only small measures, but as the saying goes..."Even the longest journey starts with a single step".

For years folk have been living beyond their means, thanks to cheap credit. A bit like those middle-aged folk retiring to Spain, thinking the days of cheap housing, cheap wine and endless sunshine will last forever. Now reality is dawning, thanks partly to the fall in value of the pound, and some are looking to return home.

Even without the issue of Brexit, leaner times are coming, too many nations in debt, rising political tensions. Perhaps globalization has had its day and greater reliance on small local businesses is the future.....You don't need to drive a BMW to enjoy life, you just get higher garage bills.
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Darrener2 on 17/09/2018(UTC)
AJW
Posted: 17 September 2018 13:14:02(UTC)
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Aidan MacGinley;68703 wrote:
I live in the West Midlands and always try to buy British when I buy a car as I would prefer to keep a British worker in a job than a German or French one. My Birmingham made Jaguar is every bit as good as the equivalent German models from Audi BMW and Mercedes. No doubt there are Germans in Munich driving Jaguars who could be driving BMWs. Is this not an example of pointless trade. Everyone in Britain an Germany could buy a perfectly good car made locally rather than import one from another country.


Also West Midlander here and there's been over 1000 jobs go at Jaguar Land Rover thanks to Brexit, a quick google search of west midlands jlr brexit tells you all you need to know.

Now I'm open to the idea that there may be other business issues at play, but recent comments from the bosses there are a good indication of the damage Brexit is/will do.
PaulSh
Posted: 17 September 2018 15:38:40(UTC)
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It always amuses me when people think that globalisation is a modern thing. Globalisation has been going on before we even realised that the Earth was a globe. For instance, as far back as the Bronze Age, Cornish tin was exported to Europe where it was made into bronze artefacts that were traded back to the British. But of course it really got going during the age of the great empires.

An example of that would be cotton. In the 19th century, we imported cotton from India, spun, wove and made it into garments in Lancashire and then exported those back to India to be sold at a price that no local Indian craftsman could match. People starved because of it, but now the boot is on the other foot we complain about unfair competition from abroad.

If our productivity is too low then the work will move somewhere else. This has always been the case and will always be the case until we achieve the quasi-mythical "post-scarcity economy".
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Tim D on 17/09/2018(UTC)
anglo29
Posted: 17 September 2018 16:56:20(UTC)
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PaulSh;68751 wrote:
It always amuses me when people think that globalisation is a modern thing. Globalisation has been going on before we even realised that the Earth was a globe. For instance, as far back as the Bronze Age, Cornish tin was exported to Europe where it was made into bronze artefacts that were traded back to the British. But of course it really got going during the age of the great empires.



Yes, but in the Bronze Age, trade was a simple, straightforward affair. There were no meddling, ambitious politicians to get in the way.!
Tim D
Posted: 17 September 2018 21:59:34(UTC)
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anglo29;68759 wrote:

Yes, but in the Bronze Age, trade was a simple, straightforward affair. There were no meddling, ambitious politicians to get in the way.!


Human nature being what it is I can just imagine all the Bronze Age folks sitting around complaining about how that meddling Hammurabi's "Code of Hammurabi" is such an imposition to follow and how everything was better in the Stone Age.

When did humanity have its Golden Age? Is it in the past, or does it still lie ahead of us?
anglo29
Posted: 18 September 2018 08:35:51(UTC)
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Tim D;68789 wrote:
anglo29;68759 wrote:

Yes, but in the Bronze Age, trade was a simple, straightforward affair. There were no meddling, ambitious politicians to get in the way.!


Human nature being what it is I can just imagine all the Bronze Age folks sitting around complaining about how that meddling Hammurabi's "Code of Hammurabi" is such an imposition to follow and how everything was better in the Stone Age.

When did humanity have its Golden Age? Is it in the past, or does it still lie ahead of us?




No Golden Age, but an interesting radio interview this morning with the CEO of a UK company manufacturing Hovercraft, with a full order book worldwide, only a very small proportion of that with EU countries. Consequently Brexit was of little concern for them.

I wonder how many scores, maybe even hundreds of small/medium size companies are also successfully trading globally, to whom Brexit is a side issue? Yet all the current (negative) publicity over Brexit is given to the doomsters predicting Armageddon.

Perhaps the media focussing on some more business success stories for a change might redress the balance?
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