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Investing from the charts
ben ski
Posted: 13 December 2023 13:46:53(UTC)
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mdss68;289393 wrote:
Wave Action;289351 wrote:
Here is the basic set up I'm going to use with 3 lower indicators and a 10 day moving average (MA). All is set in the daily timeframe. Please don't ridicule it as it's my choice and yes there's a million other ways to do this. Firstly Stochastic and Williams are overbought , where 80 is overbought and 20 is oversold . First alert is triggered. The 10 day moving average ( MA) is there as the guide and stop . Price is above so we hold. I can't realistically call from here for the thread purposes but if I was to call sell that would set the ball rolling. Basically short term the market is overbought but continuing higher that's why I'm using the 10 MA in orange. Things could change overnight so we see ? FED meeting Wednesday.
Just to mention I'm linking Bigcharts here as it very conveniently retains settings as I post. There isn't that many chart packages do that.

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=11

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=11

https://bigcharts.market...oggle=false&state=11


I'm not a religious man, but you know that parable about seeds and stony ground? Welcome to Citywire :)

fwiw Tradingview offers a "share link to chart" thing and mine have always appeared as I meant them to.

Many years ago I read Steve Nisson's book on Japanese Candles, it hit home. Partly the lovely descriptive names (most I've long forgotten), and the notion that this really was a war, not a picnic. For these unfamiliar, this system goes way back to the Shogun era, and was devised to better trade the rice market. I read all the western TA stuff, but my charts remain a relatively simple affair, RSI, candles, MA's. Those seeking Heads and Shoulders and all the other patterns, all the best :-)

ATB!


The problem – and this was true even back in the 80s – is that the obvious points where traders set stops, limit orders, etc. are what bigger, smarter traders will deliberately hit, either so they can buy your assets at discounts, or have you buy theirs at premiums.

In the retail space, people seem to think markets are a system that follows rules.. when of course trading's a game that involves beating the guy on the other end of your trades – and central to that is knowing what they're doing.

Similar to the theory for why smart beta products tend to do well in backtests, but often pretty terribly in execution: as soon as something's published, that system is a known entity.. And a) every trader who knows what you'll be buying or selling next can front-run you, and b) every investor using products that follow smart-beta algorithms is closing the gap between where you trade and expected profits.. So the one thing you don't want to do is what everyone else is doing. It's why monkeys outperform fund managers.

Big boy
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:02:42(UTC)
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Deleted as certain member clearly has more knowledge than I will ever have.

IMO waffle and pages of words doesn't add any value except if they wish to become a journalist or financial
author but if so why waste time on this Forum..
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Captain Slugwash on 13/12/2023(UTC)
Big boy
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:06:01(UTC)
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ben ski;289442 wrote:
mdss68;289393 wrote:
Wave Action;289351 wrote:
Here is the basic set up I'm going to use with 3 lower indicators and a 10 day moving average (MA). All is set in the daily timeframe. Please don't ridicule it as it's my choice and yes there's a million other ways to do this. Firstly Stochastic and Williams are overbought , where 80 is overbought and 20 is oversold . First alert is triggered. The 10 day moving average ( MA) is there as the guide and stop . Price is above so we hold. I can't realistically call from here for the thread purposes but if I was to call sell that would set the ball rolling. Basically short term the market is overbought but continuing higher that's why I'm using the 10 MA in orange. Things could change overnight so we see ? FED meeting Wednesday.
Just to mention I'm linking Bigcharts here as it very conveniently retains settings as I post. There isn't that many chart packages do that.

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=11

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=11

https://bigcharts.market...oggle=false&state=11


I'm not a religious man, but you know that parable about seeds and stony ground? Welcome to Citywire :)

fwiw Tradingview offers a "share link to chart" thing and mine have always appeared as I meant them to.

Many years ago I read Steve Nisson's book on Japanese Candles, it hit home. Partly the lovely descriptive names (most I've long forgotten), and the notion that this really was a war, not a picnic. For these unfamiliar, this system goes way back to the Shogun era, and was devised to better trade the rice market. I read all the western TA stuff, but my charts remain a relatively simple affair, RSI, candles, MA's. Those seeking Heads and Shoulders and all the other patterns, all the best :-)

ATB!


The problem – and this was true even back in the 80s – is that the obvious points where traders set stops, limit orders, etc. are what bigger, smarter traders will deliberately hit, either so they can buy your assets at discounts, or have you buy theirs at premiums.

In the retail space, people seem to think markets are a system that follows rules.. when of course trading's a game that involves beating the guy on the other end of your trades – and central to that is knowing what they're doing.

Similar to the theory for why smart beta products tend to do well in backtests, but often pretty terribly in execution: as soon as something's published, that system is a known entity.. And a) every trader who knows what you'll be buying or selling next can front-run you, and b) every investor using products that follow smart-beta algorithms is closing the gap between where you trade and expected profits.. So the one thing you don't want to do is what everyone else is doing. It's why monkeys outperform fund managers.



You are correct and thats why we as forum member can take full advantage of those that have to sell at a large discount.


As a Professional you were sometimes the only buyer and so could work with the MMs to buy below the bid price and so immediately made a profit in your books.
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ben ski on 13/12/2023(UTC)
Anthony French
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:07:11(UTC)
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anyone can buy below the bid using DMA, the world of trading has
moved on.

allocator3844
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:12:21(UTC)
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if there is a way of beating the market / benchmark, then why would anybody share this information ?
Big boy
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:16:04(UTC)
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Anthony French
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:19:01(UTC)
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Or u can place trades in the opening auction.
Big boy
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:19:34(UTC)
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Deleted as constant waffle which I and many Members don't appreciate..
Anthony French
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:30:40(UTC)
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https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=11

with the benefit of good ole hindsight the price has been
in an uptrend since the end of October but the indicators
have given various stop profit signals.
If you ignore any signals I'm afraid that's a big
weakness in your system, it would be better to have a stop gain
percentage, for holds.
Which takes u back to the start, price.
Anthony French
Posted: 13 December 2023 14:35:52(UTC)
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One fact unless u are famous as Nick Train etc., remember all
the rising stars who were in the right place at the right time
and then were never able to repeat their success.

The fact

If they could trade they would trade their own
book as the Naked Trader does, instead of someone else's.

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