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Nat West and other UK banks
Thrugelmir
Posted: 17 February 2024 21:54:58(UTC)

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Tesla finance their own vehicle financing. As do BMW. Wonder what might be uncovered elsewhere?
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Ian Eccles on 18/02/2024(UTC)
Ian Eccles
Posted: 18 February 2024 05:26:56(UTC)

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We are all jumping the gun, you never know they might get away with a yellow card but prudent to keep your wallet shut until the referee makes a decision.
Phil 2
Posted: 19 February 2024 15:21:43(UTC)

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Hope they’re not trying to time the market !

The Treasury has further sold off publicly-owned shares in NatWest Group PLC (LSE:NWG) after solid results and Paul Thwaite’s permanent appointment as chief executive prompted gains last week.

Some 1.4% of the bank’s shares were sold off on Monday, taking the taxpayer’s ownership stake from 34.96% to 33.56%.

This comes as the government prepares to launch a retail share sale of its stake in the bank later this year, acquired through a bailout of NatWest during the global financial crisis.

UBS upgraded NatWest’s share price target to 265p on Monday meanwhile, marking a prospective rise of 15% on Friday’s close, as analysts highlighted the lender’s “attractive valuation”.

“Many we spoke to on results day believe that the NatWest public offer, which appears likely in the coming months, means near-term guidance is conservative,” analysts said.

NatWest shares were swapping for 226p at the time of writing, up around 9% week on week.
Phil 2
Posted: 19 February 2024 15:39:54(UTC)

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I just googled “NatWest exposure to car loans” - from this Auto trade article it seems there isn’t any. If true, that may disappoint a few on here. If it’s untrue, it will obviously irk me !

Banks are in a “holding pattern” as the FCA investigates whether there has been systematic harm with discretionary commission models, says Kate Robinson from regulatory adviser Avyse Partners.

However, the issue is not “black and white… the responsibility has been pushed towards the banks but the brokers were involved in this process.

“From a lender’s point of view, these lenders have been held to the fire somewhat by brokers.”

Lloyds is understood to be most exposed, through its Black Horse division. There are estimates it could cost Lloyds £1.3bn to £2.4bn.

The issue is likely to be raised this week as Lloyds delivers its annual results.

Barclays also made loans through its subsidiary Clydesdale Financial Services, which trades as Barclays Partner Finance – but its exposure will be low as it only has a market share of 2.5%.

Last week, Natwest said it had no exposure to car finance. Santander has said it is too early to tell.

https://www.auto-retail....ion-not-black-and-white/
Phil 2
Posted: 19 February 2024 15:43:54(UTC)

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And from the FT … 🥂🍾

The Financial Conduct Authority on Wednesday clarified the timeline of an investigation it launched earlier this month into historic interest-linked deals offered by motor finance companies. The so-called discretionary commissions gave car finance brokers and dealers an incentive to raise interest rates on customer deals and were banned by the FCA in 2021.

The FCA’s clarification sent shares in Lloyds Banking Group down more than 2 per cent while shares in specialist lender Close Brothers fell nearly 3 per cent.

Analysts said Lloyds — which owns Black Horse, the UK’s largest car finance lender — is particularly exposed to an influx of compensation claims, with Jefferies estimating the lender could be hit with a total bill of £1.8bn.

Other lenders including Barclays and Santander were also likely to be affected, analysts said, while NatWest was unlikely to feel a material impact because of its low exposure to the sector.

https://www.ft.com/conte...1-43d9-ad71-e0f14149af44
Phil 2
Posted: 22 February 2024 11:19:19(UTC)

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Lloyds’ turn in the limelight today. Decent summary of results, 2024 outlook and that car loan issue, for which they’ve now made a provision. I don’t hold this but it often moves in tune with my unpopular NWG loveliness.

Lloyds Banking Group PLC on Thursday reported an annual profit surge and announced a new share buyback, though it said it has booked a provision in connection to a UK watchdog probe on historic motor finance arrangements.

The lender said net income grew 2.7% to GBP17.93 billion from GBP17.47 billion. Included in that top-line rise was a 4.5% increase in underlying net interest income to GBP13.77 billion.

Lloyds said pretax profit surged 57% to GBP7.50 billion from GBP4.78 billion.

It lifted its final dividend by 15% to 1.84 pence per share from 1.60p. It took the total dividend for the year to 2.76p, a rise of 15% from 2.40p. In addition, it announced a GBP2.0 billion buyback.

"In combination, this is a total capital return of up to GBP3.8 billion, or 14% of the group's market capitalisation," it said on its dividend and new buyback.

Chief Executive Charlie Nunn added: "2023 was a critical year in building towards the ambitious strategy we announced two years ago, as we look to grow our business and deepen relationships with our customers. As demonstrated in our recent strategic seminars, we have made significant progress and are on track to meet our 2024 and 2026 strategic outcomes, helping us build towards higher and more sustainable returns."

Looking to 2024, it expects to achieve a banking net interest margin of "greater than 290 basis points". In 2023, it rose 17 basis points to 3.11% from 2.94%.

Further out, it maintained its 2026 guidance of a cost to income ratio of less than 50%, and a return on tangible equity of greater than 15%. It expects a 2024 RoTE of around 13%, which would be off the 15.8% achieved last year. Its RoTE in 2022 came in at 9.8%.

Lloyds reported remediation costs of GBP675 million for 2023, up from GBP255 million a year prior. The latest figure includes a GBP450 million provision following a Financial Conduct Authority review into historical motor finance commission arrangements, Lloyds said.

"There remains significant uncertainty as to the extent of any misconduct and customer loss, if any, the nature of any remediation action, if required, and its timing. Hence, the impact could materially differ from the provision, both higher or lower," it cautioned.

The UK financial services watchdog in January had said it is probing whether compensation could be due for people who were potentially overcharged for car loans.

If it finds misconduct, those affected will be compensated. The FCA said it heard from over 10,000 people who are concerned they were charged too much. It added there could be even more yet to come forward.

Also on Thursday, Lloyds said Alan Dickinson will step down as deputy chair at the firm's annual general meeting this year.

In addition, it said Nathan Bostock has been named a non-executive director and will chair its Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets arm from August 1. Bostock was chief executive of Santander UK between 2014 and 2022 and was formerly finance chief of Royal Bank of Scotland PLC, now named NatWest Group PLC.

Lloyds shares traded 0.3% lower at 43.18 pence each in London on Thursday morning.

By Eric Cunha, Alliance News news editor
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Ian Eccles on 22/02/2024(UTC), Wave Action on 22/02/2024(UTC), Thrugelmir on 22/02/2024(UTC)
Ian Eccles
Posted: 22 February 2024 11:56:12(UTC)

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I hold Lloyds mainly for the dividend payment these days.
The share price is appalling and stuck in the 40-50p range. (50p we should be so lucky)
I have held this stock long before the GFC and if I tot up the subsequent dividend payments, I just might be ahead of the game and showing a profit.
It's one to keep and use when required for CGT purposes.
Ian Eccles
Posted: 12 March 2024 09:14:09(UTC)

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Just scanned the market and noticed Lloyds share price is now 49.58p.
You never know it might meet the heady heights of 50p/share.
Here is a thought, Mr. Smith was thinking of buying a bank for the portfolio, maybe Terry has been buying Lloyds ( ha ha ha I thought it was 1st April for a moment. )
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Phil 2 on 12/03/2024(UTC)
Micawber
Posted: 12 March 2024 10:20:14(UTC)

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Having mostly avoided UK bank shares for years (aside from a brief investment in HSBC), bought Lloyds on 20 Feb for self and wife, primarily for a healthy dividend w/cover, and various analyses of its current state by institutional analysts. Pleased with the share price appreciation of 16% as of today, although I can't claim more than luck in the fortuitous timing.

I have been reweighting towards yield as we are ageing and yields seem likely to fall, capital appreciation to rise, as and when interest rates decline.
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Ian Eccles on 12/03/2024(UTC), Phil 2 on 12/03/2024(UTC)
Ian Eccles
Posted: 12 March 2024 11:01:09(UTC)

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Looking at my records I first bought Lloyds TSB in June 2003 for 474.5p
Over the subsequent years I have reinvested the dividend payments and bought more on price drop, today my average price to get me out of the hole would be 59p.
We live in hope, keep reinvesting the dividend and one day we will be in the black and not the black hole.
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Phil 2 on 12/03/2024(UTC), Busy doing nothing on 12/03/2024(UTC)
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