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ANDREW FOSTER
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So, plastic waste is a dirty horrible contaminated mess that no one actually wants and most gets landfilled and burned...

I mean, who knew?

But apparently, says the guARdiAn, this was the fault of the plastics companies promoting recycling.

Rather than the rabid greenies, lunatic councils and central governments with landfill taxes forcing a response from industry.

We have known for years about waste carrying ships taking plastic to be burned in Asia and Africa and the issuance of fake recycling certificates. The green lobby just closed their eyes and said la-la-la.

https://www.theguardian....astics-producers-report


Won't make any difference in the UK, no one is going to admit that plastic recycling is an utter waste of money and resources and uses more energy than it saves.
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Jonathan Friend
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Keith Cobby
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I can't see the point of recycling anything other than metal or glass (which should be reused through a deposit scheme), incinerate everything else.

Much of the climate media coverage this week seemed to be about the AMOC and it producing colder weather in the northern hemisphere, so back to the 70s and the coming ice age. I think it's generally accepted that a new ice age would be significantly more difficult to deal with than global warming.
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Tug Boat
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Glass is an interesting one. It can only be recycled using a deposit scheme. The bottles that are thrown into recycling bins become a mixed up cullet that can only be recycled by conversion into granules for filler. It can’t be converted into new bottles as there’s a such a mix.

I think there is a case for paper recycling. It’s fairly low energy, but uses bleach.

Plastic is strange one. You need a fair amount of energy, but it means we use less oil. Burning it is not a good idea.

Food gets either burned or turned into compost. So does wood.

Yes I have a friend in the business, and I worked as an analytical chemist at a glass works for five years.
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ANDREW FOSTER
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Tug Boat;296449 wrote:
Glass is an interesting one. It can only be recycled using a deposit scheme. The bottles that are thrown into recycling bins become a mixed up cullet that can only be recycled by conversion into granules for filler. It can’t be converted into new bottles as there’s a such a mix.

I think there is a case for paper recycling. It’s fairly low energy, but uses bleach.

Plastic is strange one. You need a fair amount of energy, but it means we use less oil. Burning it is not a good idea.

Food gets either burned or turned into compost. So does wood.

Yes I have a friend in the business, and I worked as an analytical chemist at a glass works for five years.


Yes, and the additional overhead of collecting glass, crushing, filtering to remove metal and washing granules is likely more energy intensive than just making new glass.

Glass itself dumped is non toxic and harmless.


As for compost I've bought a bag of 'recycled' and it was full of tiny bits of plastic and glass and coated paper. I threw the whole lot away.
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NoMoreKickingCans
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That is a damning graphic, but it doesn’t even seem to deal with all the lifecycle.

What about where the electricity to charge the vehicle is coming from ?

What about the waste you end up with when the battery has degraded so much the car has a limited range ? What is going to happen to a billion waste car batteries in 10-20 years time ?

What about the costs associated with car fires when batteries burst into flames ?

(And all because of a highly questionable hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change supported by clearly manipulated data, a small army of naive activists, rent seeking pseudo climatologists, and some superwealthy people feeding a constant stream of climate propaganda through the MSM.)
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ANDREW FOSTER
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Well record ice in Antarctica has to be explained somehow..

Easy, it'S dUe To cO2...🤪

Who knew?

https://www.newscientist...-antarcticas-atmosphere/
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NoMoreKickingCans
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Well record ice in Antarctica has to be explained somehow..

‘’... could reverse...’’
Do people get paid for writing this nonsense.
It is raining at the moment but it ‘’could reverse’’ and become hotter than ever before in human history.
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NoMoreKickingCans
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Yes the UK and Europe is committing industrial suicide...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busi...imed-at-vulnerable-west/

China laughs and builds another coal power station. China’s steel capacity is double that of the next 10 countries combined.
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When they were here, the Romans planted vines grew grapes and made "English" wine from roman vine rootstock, and the reason it worked was that the temperature was 2 degrees higher than it is today.

Hooray, 2000 years later we have a warmer climate and English wine is winning awards all over the world. And that includes in France.

So, rock on, let the juggernaut of a 3 card trick tell us we are doomed......................
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