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Phil 2
Posted: 26 July 2024 09:15:44(UTC)

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Phil 2;313286 wrote:
Cue huge market overreaction as usual.
I’m no longer involved personally but an interested onlooker hoping the SP doesn’t zoom after I sold them recently (!)

NatWest Group posted a decline in interim profits as net interest margins fell and costs rose.

During the first half of its fiscal year, NatWest Group posted a decline in operating profits before tax of 15.6% to reach £3.03bn.

Net interest margins fell by 16 basis points to 2.07%, but improved by 5bp in the second quarter to 2.1%.

In parallel, the cost-to-income ratio worsened from 49.3% to 55.5% during the half.

Returns on tangible equity declined from 18.2% one year before to 16.4%.

Levels of default remained stable and at low levels across the portfolio, according to the lender.

The loan impairment rate was down by nine basis points at the half-year stage.

Management said that it now saw full-year income, excluding notable items, of approximately £14bn and expected the lender's return on tangible equity would increase to over 14%.

The interim dividend payout was hiked by 9% to 6p.



Bugger.
Micawber
Posted: 27 July 2024 09:12:20(UTC)

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Phil 2;303562 wrote:
Lloyds SP reaching the dizzying heights of 53p. I’m expecting street parties.....


I've already trimmed the 33% profit since we bought Lloyds in late February and after these interim results am thinking of selling altogether, as the yield of now 4.5%, though divis are well covered, is not particularly competitive and I'm not convinced about further 'robust growth'. The sp seems to have got ahead of the prospects. Alternatives like LGEN and NG and maybe AV. look better atm.
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Taltunes on 27/07/2024(UTC), Phil 2 on 28/07/2024(UTC), Ian Eccles on 30/07/2024(UTC)
Phil 2
Posted: 15 August 2024 08:08:32(UTC)

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Not invested here but why on earth have OSB shares tanked by almost 20% on these relatively beige interims? Anyone know?


OSB GROUP PLCInterim report for the six months ended 30 June 2024

OSB GROUP PLC (OSBG or the Group), the specialist lending and retail savings group, announces today its results for the six months ended 30 June 2024.

Following the Combination with Charter Court Financial Services Group plc (CCFS) on 4 October 2019, this press release includes results on an underlying basis, in addition to the statutory basis, which Management believes provide a more consistent basis for comparing the Group’s results between financial periods. Underlying results exclude acquisition-related items (see the reconciliation in the Financial review).

Financial and operational highlights

Underlying profit before tax1 increased to £249.9m (H1 2023: £116.6m) and statutory profit before tax was £241.3m (H1 2023: £76.7m) primarily due to non-recurrence of the H1 2023 adverse EIR adjustment partially offset by lower prevailing spreads from mortgages and deposits and an impairment credit compared to a loss in the prior periodUnderlying return on equity2 increased to 18% (H1 2023: 8%) and statutory return on equity was 17% (H1 2023: 5%)Underlying and statutory net loan book grew by 1.5% and 1.4% to £26.1bn in the period (FY 2023: £25.7bn and £25.8bn, respectively) and originations were £1.9bn (H1 2023: £2.3bn) as the Group maintained pricing discipline and a focus on returnsUnderlying and statutory net interest margin (NIM)3 increased to 243bps and 237bps (H1 2023: 203bps and 171bps, respectively) largely due to non-recurrence of the adverse EIR adjustment partially offset by maturing fixed term mortgages redeeming or switching onto lower prevailing spreads, continued recycling of the fixed rate deposit book and MREL issuanceUnderlying and statutory cost to income ratios4 improved to 34% and 35% (H1 2023: 40% and 47%, respectively)Underlying and statutory loan loss ratios5 were (4)bps (H1 2023: 37bps) due to updated macroeconomic scenarios, particularly house price improvement. Arrears balances greater than three months increased to 1.6% (31 December 2023: 1.4%)Basic earnings per share6 were 46.0p and 44.4p on an underlying and statutory basis (H1 2023: 19.5p and 12.8p, respectively)The Common Equity Tier 1 capital ratio, which includes the full impact of the £50m share repurchase programme announced in March, remained strong at 16.2% (31 December 2023: 16.1%). As at 14 August, the Group had repurchased £39.0m worth of shares under the programmeThe Group met its interim MREL requirement of 22.5% of risk-weighted assets, including regulatory buffers, under the current standardised rulesInterim dividend7 of 10.7 pence per share (H1 2023: 10.2 pence per share) representing one-third of the full year 2023 ordinary dividend, in line with the Group’s stated dividend policyThe Board has approved a new £50m share repurchase programme which will commence on 6 September
Commenting on the results, Group CEO, Andy Golding said:

“I am pleased with the Group’s performance in the first six months of 2024, demonstrating a disciplined approach to new lending, as we focused on maintaining our return on equity against a backdrop of subdued mortgage market volumes. The Group delivered 18% underlying return on equity and 1.5% underlying net loan book growth for the first half, slightly lower than originally guided as we prioritised returns over growth. The Group remains a leading Buy-to-Let lender with c.9% share of new Buy-to-Let mortgages at the end of May,1 demonstrating the strength of its more complex professional, multi-property landlord proposition.

Based on current market activity and our disciplined approach to lending and retention, the Group now expects to deliver underlying net loan book growth of c.3% for 2024.

Underlying net interest margin is expected to be in a range of 230 - 240bps for the full year as increased competition in the subdued mortgage market leads to maturing fixed term mortgages redeeming or switching onto lower prevailing spreads more quickly, and as we continue to monitor customer behaviour in reversion on the Precise book for any potential impact on the measurement of EIR.

The underlying cost to income ratio is expected to be c.36%, commensurate with the NIM guidance and as we continue to maintain our cost discipline while we invest in the business.

We have seen an improvement in the macroeconomic outlook recently which supports our cautious re-entry into more cyclical, higher margin sub-segments, which will contribute to returns in the medium term. We are now past peak interest rates, which will also provide a much-needed stimulus to the mortgage market. The Group is well-capitalised and well-positioned to successfully leverage our unique multi-brand structure and benefit from the opportunities as they arise. I remain confident in the outlook for the Group and our ability to deliver sustainable and attractive returns for our shareholders.”
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Ian Eccles on 15/08/2024(UTC), RT7 on 15/08/2024(UTC)
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That's the nature of the beast, bought them back now.
I bought them in March 24 for 381p and sold them in July 24 for 490p , also one dividend payment.
The share price seems to tank on their results even when they are not bad which is my opportunity to buy back, pays 8.15 % dividend.
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Phil 2 on 15/08/2024(UTC), RT7 on 15/08/2024(UTC)
Phil 2
Posted: 15 August 2024 08:47:46(UTC)

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Edit … I now own £5k of these. Be afraid …
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Ian Eccles on 15/08/2024(UTC), RT7 on 15/08/2024(UTC), Newbie on 15/08/2024(UTC)
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Thanks Phil 2,

I saw that broker RBC cut target price to 550p from 625p which may have contributed to s/p drop ? Who knows.

But, like you, I think drop is an over reaction, as is often the way on the "expected" news. P/E ratio is lower than average for the sector, and yield is reasonable. I bought today at £3.95, so would be happy to get out near 550p

Thanks for the tip

RT

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Phil 2 on 16/08/2024(UTC)
Phil 2
Posted: 16 August 2024 00:24:18(UTC)

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For the record it definitely wasn’t a tip !! Merely highlighting the potential disparity between the results and the SP reaction.




Obviously if it goes up like a 🚀 then it was a tip after all.
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John Bran on 21/08/2024(UTC)
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Posted: 21 August 2024 21:27:19(UTC)

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Not sure this has been mentioned but NatWest has bought back 30% of it shares in last 2 years. According to temple bar investment trust.

Video may 2024

https://www.templebarinv...-update-video-may-2024/

I also remember reading something about just how much they are making on there reserves. Think about what they were getting on their short dated bonds in the past and what they are making now.
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Johan De Silva on 31/08/2024(UTC)
Phil 2
Posted: 31 August 2024 11:17:37(UTC)

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Death and taxes. But mostly taxes.


Is a windfall tax a risk for UK banks and their shareholders?
29 August 2024

Fund managers believe an additional banking levy in the autumn Budget would not detract from the long-term investment case for banks.


By Emma Wallis,
News editor, Trustnet

Shares in UK-listed banks sold off yesterday after a Financial Times article speculated they could be hit by a windfall tax in the Autumn Budget. Bank shares have recovered somewhat already today but a cloud of uncertainty could potentially hang over them until chancellor Rachel Reeves spells out how she plans to plug a £22bn hole in the government’s finances on 30 October.

Dan Coatsworth, investment analyst at AJ Bell, said: “Keir Starmer and Reeves have made it perfectly clear they will leave no stone unturned in the search to find ways to boost public finances. That also means being creative with where they impose tax and it seems the banking sector could be in their sights. It’s about as easy a target as you can get.

“Banks have made big money from higher interest rates, profiting when the rest of the country has struggled through a cost-of-living crisis. If the oil and gas industry can be slapped with a windfall tax as a result of a spike in energy prices, so can the banks as a result of higher rates.”

Mark Peden, co-manager of the Aegon Global Equity Income fund, agreed that banks are “an easy win for the government”. “Bashing the banks is not going to lose you any votes so I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if they go after the sector with windfall taxes.”

However, James Lowen, who manages the £1.7bn JOHCM UK Equity Income fund and holds Barclays, NatWest, HSBC and Standard Chartered, said banks are already paying higher taxes than other industries due to the bank levy so he thinks additional taxes are unlikely.

There has been speculation about a tax on reserve balances held at the Bank of England to offset the costs of quantitative easing, but Reeves and the governor of the Bank of England, Andrew Bailey, have already ruled this out because it would “meddle with how monetary policy is transitioned into the economy,” Lowen said. Therefore, if a new bank levy is introduced, he believes it would be a “more vanilla tax”.

He also disputed the assumption that banks have profited excessively from interest rate hikes. Standard Chartered and Barclays both have a 12% return on capital target, which is not supranormal, he observed.

Banks achieved “transitory” supranormal profits during the first half of last year but margins were eroded by competition and political pressure to pass on the benefits of interest rate rises to savers, he pointed out.

What the chancellor has not acknowledged in her budget deficit calculations is that the UK’s GDP is now much stronger than was expected at the time of the last Budget and the UK has the fastest growing economy amongst the ‘Group of Seven’ (G7) countries, Lowen continued.

“If you look at the GDP versus where the forecast was, tax receipts will be materially higher than expected so when that’s brought into the mix, the black hole that she talked about disappears fully. I think the fiscal position is better than is being articulated,” he argued.

Although Reeves has not ruled out increases to capital gains and inheritance tax, a new banking levy or reductions in pensions tax relief, Lowen believes only a few of these measures will need to be implemented.

Furthermore, increased taxation risks prompting banks with large international businesses such as Standard Chartered and HSBC to consider moving their listings abroad, he continued. That would be detrimental for the government’s drive to create a favourable environment for business and investment, and to encourage companies to list here.

“Standard Chartered is on 0.5x book [value], when its Asian equivalents quoted elsewhere are on 1.5-2x book, so that’s a UK discount. If it starts getting taxed more, that’s going to create those questions,” he said.

If additional taxes are introduced, Lowen said analysts are forecasting a 1% to 4% impact on net income. “I think if it did happen, it would be a contained and finite number that was already priced in yesterday, so it’s not something that’s going to lead to a 10%, 15% or 20% reduction in profitability,” he explained.

While uncertainty is never good for share prices, at least investors only have to wait two months for the Budget to bring clarity, Lowen added.

Peden thinks additional taxes would be a one-off event so “shouldn’t affect your modelling work on the valuation side”.

A more important consideration for investors is the interest rate cycle, which is currently “incredibly favourable” for banks and insurers, he said. “Banks like high interest rates because they charge more than they give you back in what you can earn from your deposits.”

If banks’ share prices fall further due to taxes being priced in ahead of the Budget, this could present provide a buying opportunity for investors, said Sam North, market analyst at investment platform eToro.

“In theory, the fundamentals of these companies would change slightly, but I still think their valuations are solid and the overall trend will continue to the upside despite a short blip,” he concluded.
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Ian Eccles on 31/08/2024(UTC), ANDREW FOSTER on 31/08/2024(UTC), Busy doing nothing on 31/08/2024(UTC)
Ian Eccles
Posted: 31 August 2024 11:41:00(UTC)

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If we believe all the press reports they could have filled that £22bn black hole a dozen times by now, why don't we all wait and see what treats they have in store for the weary investor.
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