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Old Jock
Posted: 29 March 2022 09:35:08(UTC)

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The really subtle bit is that the dividend is defined as a % of NAV, not share price, so you end up with a dividend yield higher than 1% pa.

e.g. 30% discount means dividend yield of 1%/0.7 = 1.43%. And the wider the discount the bigger the upward scaling factor on your yield, hence the bigger the carrot to buy the shares (and hence close the discount).

Also as the dividend is fixed in cash every 1st January, the manager knows exactly how much cash withdrawal they need to fund for, and when it's due, right down to the precise date. Presumably a small help.
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Tom Mozy
Posted: 29 March 2022 10:28:51(UTC)

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They need to improve the monthly factsheet to close the discount.

At least show the portfolio and some commentary.

Even if it was just fundsmith style....

Its a trawl to find the portfolio. Bill probably likes hiding behind the lack of updates.
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Old Jock
Posted: 29 March 2022 11:29:43(UTC)

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I could be perverse or naive, but as a long-term holder, I view the lack of disclosure as working in my favour.

It's a 7.4bn dollar fund, with typically 8 to 12 holdings, so could easily be a billion dollars a go for the biggest holdings. So if the market had too close a handle on what PSH is holding it could anticipate Ackman's moves, so the fund trades stocks at a worse price, impacting us as investors. It's exacerbated as well by Ackman's reputation, and the fact he probably won't be trading diddly amounts.

If anything major does happen we soon find out anyway, like the Netflix purchase. And when the market did find out about this, the Netflix price went up. And it goes up exactly because of the announcement that Ackman has bought in.

So Ackman is I think playing the disclosure game to my advantage, twice. Not only is he being cagey about what he's holding, he also controls the information flow on his new deals. So he gets a cheaper entry price on Netflix, plus a pop when he does tell everyone about the new investment.

Finally, I'm in the fund chiefly because I want Ackman to pick the holdings, rather than me forming my own view on them. And the other big point is that the insiders (including Bill) all have big skin in the game, so their interests are well aligned with investors. (Other than creaming off big performance fees, but that is another debate....).
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Bulldog Drummond
Posted: 29 March 2022 12:33:05(UTC)

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Last year's 12% management fee was a bit eye-watering.
Keith Cobby
Posted: 29 March 2022 12:39:35(UTC)

Joined: 07/03/2012(UTC)
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Not sure about Netflix, interesting piece by Matthew Lynn in the DT this week. I ask my wife daily if we can cancel!
Big boy
Posted: 29 March 2022 13:03:51(UTC)

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Bulldog Drummond;215864 wrote:
Last year's 12% management fee was a bit eye-watering.


Helps pay for a few costly Compliance Officers..
Bulldog Drummond
Posted: 29 March 2022 13:14:14(UTC)

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Big boy;215867 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;215864 wrote:
Last year's 12% management fee was a bit eye-watering.


Helps pay for a few costly Compliance Officers..

Personally, I'd sack the lot of them. And abolish HR departments also. You wouldn't believe how much stupid crap we have to keep an eye on these days. All created by regulators and the vast majority of it is pointless or actually harmful. See Bullshit Jobs for more detail on this. Still, it pays the bills.

https://www.strike.coop/bullshit-jobs/
Keith Cobby
Posted: 29 March 2022 13:17:19(UTC)

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Bulldog Drummond;215864 wrote:
Last year's 12% management fee was a bit eye-watering.


Investors don't notice this now that the trust is in the NA sector rather than with the other hedge funds. It's not much less than the 2&20 (1.56&16).
Bulldog Drummond
Posted: 29 March 2022 13:19:27(UTC)

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Keith Cobby;215871 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;215864 wrote:
Last year's 12% management fee was a bit eye-watering.


Investors don't notice this now that the trust is in the NA sector rather than with the other hedge funds. It's not much less than the 2&20 (1.56&16).

I also wouldn't invest in anything charging 2+20. Come for the high fees, stay for the bad performance.
Mr GL
Posted: 29 March 2022 13:30:55(UTC)

Joined: 18/10/2020(UTC)
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I just sold the last of my PSH at 3000 ... unchanged on the year.... and I want a relaxing holiday...
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