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Mr Spock
Posted: 17 January 2022 16:44:44(UTC)
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Re Rathbone, I think that's right, although a bit surprising/disappointing given the not so high exposure to tech and lower concentration. This is an excellent fund IMO, so I am not too worried.
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Marney
Posted: 20 January 2022 11:56:45(UTC)
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That's a huge fall for Rathbones Global Opps. It's quite worrying, I must say and the forecast for the year looks like it will worsen.
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Lindisfarne on 20/01/2022(UTC)
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Posted: 20 January 2022 12:13:02(UTC)
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Marney;204045 wrote:
That's a huge fall for Rathbones Global Opps. It's quite worrying, I must say and the forecast for the year looks like it will worsen.



It is still falling, as is Mid Wynd
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Mr Spock
Posted: 20 January 2022 12:19:19(UTC)
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I am not happy either but I would assess the performance on (at least) the semester personally.

Best thing is stop looking on a daily basis, this is a fund not an individual stock.
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smg8
Posted: 21 January 2022 08:23:47(UTC)
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Lindisfarne;204052 wrote:
Marney;204045 wrote:
That's a huge fall for Rathbones Global Opps. It's quite worrying, I must say and the forecast for the year looks like it will worsen.



It is still falling, as is Mid Wynd


Rathbone Global Opps wouldn't surprise me. Just look at the top holdings. I know he's rotated out of tech a bit, but top holdings are still long duration expensive stocks, the nature of which have taken the biggest battering. The expensive stuff in the portfolio is the long duration stocks, the sensible stuff is quality, which has also taken a battering. If you look at Q4 2018 the fund dropped 16%, so it always has potential to tank pretty hard.

Mid Wynd semi surprises me, but it's hampered by being an IT so the premium dropping is going to contribute to movement. They've moved toward value, and are very value conscious, so I'd have expected it to hold up a little better. But the OEIC version is only down 5% for the year, so compared to other quality growth peers it's done well, based on the fact it's cheap quality growth. I always see MWY as quite sensible/cheap so hopefully over time it plays out. I'd try not to worry too much about how this one looks on a day to day basis.
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Wayne Hurdman
Posted: 21 January 2022 09:26:01(UTC)
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Rathbones I am disappointed with and the portfolio loss is climbing daily, to the point of which I almost sold out a few days ago, I didn't however and am now a further 2 or 3% down. I also hold some Blue Whale and Fundsmith so these funds are hurting.
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Nickc
Posted: 21 January 2022 09:52:51(UTC)
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Rica doing its job today!
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Andy JR
Posted: 21 January 2022 10:16:32(UTC)
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It’s been doing well this last month, one of the few greens in the sea of red, BATS another one.
I notice VSL & HONY holding up nicely too.
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Mr Spock
Posted: 21 January 2022 12:01:52(UTC)
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smg8;204215 wrote:
Lindisfarne;204052 wrote:
Marney;204045 wrote:
That's a huge fall for Rathbones Global Opps. It's quite worrying, I must say and the forecast for the year looks like it will worsen.



It is still falling, as is Mid Wynd


Rathbone Global Opps wouldn't surprise me. Just look at the top holdings. I know he's rotated out of tech a bit, but top holdings are still long duration expensive stocks, the nature of which have taken the biggest battering. The expensive stuff in the portfolio is the long duration stocks, the sensible stuff is quality, which has also taken a battering. If you look at Q4 2018 the fund dropped 16%, so it always has potential to tank pretty hard.

Mid Wynd semi surprises me, but it's hampered by being an IT so the premium dropping is going to contribute to movement. They've moved toward value, and are very value conscious, so I'd have expected it to hold up a little better. But the OEIC version is only down 5% for the year, so compared to other quality growth peers it's done well, based on the fact it's cheap quality growth. I always see MWY as quite sensible/cheap so hopefully over time it plays out. I'd try not to worry too much about how this one looks on a day to day basis.


On the other hand, RGO "only" fell 7% in 1Q20 when the world appeared to come to an end. I don't like the performance either but a) this is a fund very well run and b) performances should be assessed on a medium term basis. Granted, if one bought this fund with the idea that it would protect against market falls, it would be disappointed at the moment. My opinion, of course. Re Artemis, I don't particularly like the fund house but it is without doubt a decent fund. That said my new monies are going to the passives (Fidelity IW, Vanguard All Cap etc.) - I am not clever enough managing styles, PE etc. across multiple funds!
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Posted: 21 January 2022 15:33:03(UTC)
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Federico F;204281 wrote:


On the other hand, RGO "only" fell 7% in 1Q20 when the world appeared to come to an end. I don't like the performance either but a) this is a fund very well run and b) performances should be assessed on a medium term basis. Granted, if one bought this fund with the idea that it would protect against market falls, it would be disappointed at the moment. My opinion, of course. Re Artemis, I don't particularly like the fund house but it is without doubt a decent fund. That said my new monies are going to the passives (Fidelity IW, Vanguard All Cap etc.) - I am not clever enough managing styles, PE etc. across multiple funds!


I certainly agree it has been a good fund, with a good long term track record etc and of course we shouldn't be assessing YTD performance of funds on 21st January.

But the reason it didn't fall much in 1Q20 is due to the fact it had a lot of tech at the time, and the market moved toward tech/stay at home and rerated that investable universe. As such there are a lot of funds that gave the impression of being "lower risk" because they did well in that sell off - Blue Whale, SMT, etc.

This sell off is driven by different factors, and it seems to be that the higher the PE ratio fund the bigger the hit. The aforementioned "lower risk" funds are some of the hardest hit. As such I'd expect Rathbone Global Opps to be nearer the top of the casualties than the bottom, as it's an out and out growth fund (the opposite applied last time, value funds sold off hardest this time value funds are in positive territory for the year).

I should imagine this wobble/sell off may lead to many reassessing what risk appetite they have and how they categorise their holdings accordingly.
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