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Climate Change - The Agenda
NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 05 August 2022 00:50:38(UTC)
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The thing isnthere are 3 different questions but they all get conflated together as though there can be no debate allowed on any single one of them...
Is the climate changing in a materially significant unidirectional way ?
Is man made CO2 actually responsible - or is it sun activity, the earth’s mantle etc
Can anything meaningful be done to change it anyway ?
David Locke
Posted: 05 August 2022 03:13:54(UTC)
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Yes
Almost certainly
Perhaps not but sensible to try
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Easyrider on 12/08/2022(UTC)
NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 11 August 2022 20:49:10(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 11 August 2022 21:19:11(UTC)
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NoMoreKickingCans;233454 wrote:
The thing isnthere are 3 different questions but they all get conflated together as though there can be no debate allowed on any single one of them...
Is the climate changing in a materially significant unidirectional way ?
Is man made CO2 actually responsible - or is it sun activity, the earth’s mantle etc
Can anything meaningful be done to change it anyway ?


No - Yes climate is changing, but no, nothing in nature is unidirectional.

Minor roll - CO2 nowhere near the most important. Water vapour of course, is THE most significant greenhouse gas at between 36% and 85% of greenhouse effects. No one wants to talk about clouds though.... The focus is always on the number two, CO2. Water vapour though, is by far the number one and it's not even on the agenda.

No - Humankind, especially the democracies, will never change their profligate lifestyle. They will never vote for a lower standard of living. Developing countries are not going to accept a lower lifestyle than the West.
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NoMoreKickingCans on 11/08/2022(UTC)
Tug Boat
Posted: 12 August 2022 07:33:31(UTC)
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The eutectic/phase diagram for water will show why it can’t really be a greenhouse gas.
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 12 August 2022 07:53:10(UTC)
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Tug Boat;234306 wrote:
The eutectic/phase diagram for water will show why it can’t really be a greenhouse gas.


You need to tell NASA then, as they must have it wrong...

"Water vapor is the most abundant and potent greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. "

https://www.nasa.gov/fea...potent-greenhouse-gases


But maybe that this is symptomatic of the propaganda in play. People have been so convinced for so long by the constant focus on CO2 that they start to defend that narrative, even when the science that created it actually says something different.

"The scientists are right, they know what they are talking about, trust the science"
"The science says water vapour"
"Don't believe the scientists!"
"But...."




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John Strom IV on 12/08/2022(UTC)
bédé
Posted: 12 August 2022 08:05:19(UTC)
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Tug Boat;234306 wrote:
The eutectic/phase diagram for water will show why it can’t really be a greenhouse gas.

That comment reallly needs to be expanded and simplified for the forum readership. Otherwise it is just blinding people with science.
John Strom IV
Posted: 12 August 2022 08:22:14(UTC)
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The latest bilge is to claim that the hosepipe ban is necessary because of climate change.

No, the hosepipe ban - taking this policy response at face value - is because of concerns about the supply of water.

This is partly a result of a period of dry weather conditions, in certain parts of the country. However, there have been drier years than this on numerous occasions over the past century, and these did not lead to bans on the use of water.

So what is different now?
Tug Boat
Posted: 12 August 2022 08:36:46(UTC)
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Why do some of the newspapers still report temperature in F?

27C(99F)

It’s like being in your local ‘Spoons.

Doombar £2.12(£2/2/5)
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Tim D on 12/08/2022(UTC)
Tug Boat
Posted: 12 August 2022 08:48:31(UTC)
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bédé;234315 wrote:
Tug Boat;234306 wrote:
The eutectic/phase diagram for water will show why it can’t really be a greenhouse gas.

That comment reallly needs to be expanded and simplified for the forum readership. Otherwise it is just blinding people with science.



It rains.

Next someone will tell me hydrogen is no good as a replacement for diesel.
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